[Cerek the Barbaric]

Lady Blue - To the best of my knowledge, there is no "scientific proof" for the Theory of Creation. There is only the Bible. Now, I happen to believe the Bible because of the relationship I've developed with God through Jesus Christ. I've seen His hand guiding many events in my life (and intervening when necessary). I've felt God's presence in my life and I've found the promises He made in the Bible to be true in my life when I've tested them. Therefore, I accept the Bible as the literal Word of God. I don't expect that to prove anything to you, but it is more than enough for me. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Bardan - How do you know (for a fact) that the stars are really billions of years old. Was anyone there to see there creation? And if you accept the theories of science and physics, can you tell me that you fully understand these theories? If not, then you are "putting faith" in the scientists who have developed and tested them. I have done much the same thing. I have put my faith in God and I've tested Him when the need arose. So far, He has never let me down.

I do find it interesting, though...that you can easily accept the fact that the galaxy operates on a scale that is "incomprehensible" to us - yet you completely reject God for much the same reason...because you cannot accept a "cosmic being" that is "incomprehensible to mankind". (This is a summation based on some of your comments from the past. If I've mis-interpreted, I apologize in advance).

Ar-Cunin - I understand the concept behind carbon dating. I also understand that it has been proven to be extremely IN-accurate at times. It's interesting that the only "fake" you mention it exposing is a religious artifact. What about the blind tests mentioned earlier by Nachtrafe where the results were basically hit-or-miss? Was that another example of carbon dating "exposing fakes", or did it point out some flaws in the methodology of carbon dating?

I don't mind anyone "challenging" my beliefs. I also don't mind anyone rejecting my beliefs out-of-hand for themselves. But I do ask that each person examines their own beliefs as closely as critics would have Christians examine theirs. Are your beliefs based on your own personal experiences and observations...or are they based (in part, at least) on the work of others? If so, then how can you be sure those works are accurate? Scientific theories have changed greatly over the years as Mankind's knowledge increased, but the writings in the Bible have remained the same since the day they were written.

Ah well, all that really matters is that we treat each other with compassion and respect. If we do that, then discussions like this can be enlightening (for both sides) as well as entertaining.