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Grungi · 12-01-2002, 07:05 PM

unfortunately the fact is the majority of christians do not follow their faith and to say its only human is great i never want any part in the hypocrisy of religion, only thing that would convince me there was any point to it would be to see people actually living it how its supposed to be and i know that wont happen.

neanderthal man was beyond primitive even to the tribes you talk about, cromagnon man yes he might have been around at the same time but theres a long long time in between of evolution involved and theres no way they'd have been around at same time so that explanation is just an attempt to believe i think, see if you keep having to rationalise it then you dont truly believe unreservedly the religion so you dont have 100 percent faith, thats a shame because you seem like a pretty good christian with the right values otherwise and if someone broke into my home i wouldnt think twice about maiming them, killing no because id prefer to be vicious so they'd know not to do it again [img]tongue.gif[/img]

and AD&D more important than god to you? erm heh i only ever actually played it once, played lots of other roleplaying games alot and used to write loads too but to me nothing could ever be more important than other people IMO

As for the supernatural i said i can conceive of it fully, because i have seen a ghost before, so in my reality thats as much belief as i can get BUT in the overall scheme of things possibly i dont even have a reality at all (matrix good example) therefore i cannot believe ANYTHING except myself and my conciousness, but obviously within my reality i believe alot, hard to explain but i hope you see what i mean.

As for uniqueness i am completely unique and proud of it in every aspect of myself, noone is the same and similar doesnt cut it, even twins have huge differences in both dna and personalities (even the most identical still have big differences) , my personality is formed by both social surroundings, people and my own inbuilt sense of how things are, id put it at 60-40 for social to myself, i have strong feelings inside me that noone else ever put there, they are my own beliefs and thoughts its all shaped by society but its my own and noone else shares them equally.

human sacrifice was practiced regularly in olden times even just to get a good harvest, christianitys origins involved it too but then again you have a clash there with history and the bible, which to believe, me personally i believe this:

cavemen - beliveing in gods in all things that they personally have to do with, rocks, animals etc
next stage up till they get civilised - believing in gods of things they know less about but hear about through other tribes etc
first communities developing - believing in a one god and the origins of christianity are born but at this time they still practice human sacrificies to this god in the hope it will bring good crops or water sources or the like.

from there christianity developed and islam and many others all across the world, some just became stronger than others there were probably 1000 religions like christianity, for whatever reason it became one of the stronger ones.

thats what i think happened, i dont entertain the notion of adam and eve at all, its too pat and too storylike, if anyone knows the series Red Dwarf there is a superb episode in which (set in deep space many years in the future and comedy) they find the copy of the original bible and some markings on the inside cover, on closer inspection it states something like "to ben and mark my two sons, the story im about to tell is entirely fictional and the characters within bear no resemblence...." well you see my point, i found that incredibly amusing though im sure to christians that may well be insulting, but out of all of the comedy of it, i actually believe the bible is but that, a good read, a story and nothing more, read the silmarillion by tolkien, its like a bible, not as preachy but there are so many similarities.

thats why i said in many earlier posts, you cant plug any holes, likewise neither can i as the only way to prove it either way is through supernatural experience, but because were in the situation where i dont need to prove there is a god because no proof exists, its up to you to prove it to me. ie if someone says the yeti exists, you ask them to prove it and until they do their argument is less valid, thats the way i look at this one, id like some solid proof before i believe any of it, but my mind is open to believing it but as i said before even if it all turns out to be true its not my business one way or the other [img]tongue.gif[/img] so long as god doesnt bother me i wont bother him, he respects me and i respect him back, he did something bad to me and id kick his rearend [img]tongue.gif[/img] you get the idea anyway.

12-01-2002, 07:05 PM	#50
Grungi Banned User Join Date: September 4, 2002 Location: no Age: 47 Posts: 1,446	unfortunately the fact is the majority of christians do not follow their faith and to say its only human is great i never want any part in the hypocrisy of religion, only thing that would convince me there was any point to it would be to see people actually living it how its supposed to be and i know that wont happen. neanderthal man was beyond primitive even to the tribes you talk about, cromagnon man yes he might have been around at the same time but theres a long long time in between of evolution involved and theres no way they'd have been around at same time so that explanation is just an attempt to believe i think, see if you keep having to rationalise it then you dont truly believe unreservedly the religion so you dont have 100 percent faith, thats a shame because you seem like a pretty good christian with the right values otherwise and if someone broke into my home i wouldnt think twice about maiming them, killing no because id prefer to be vicious so they'd know not to do it again [img]tongue.gif[/img] and AD&D more important than god to you? erm heh i only ever actually played it once, played lots of other roleplaying games alot and used to write loads too but to me nothing could ever be more important than other people IMO As for the supernatural i said i can conceive of it fully, because i have seen a ghost before, so in my reality thats as much belief as i can get BUT in the overall scheme of things possibly i dont even have a reality at all (matrix good example) therefore i cannot believe ANYTHING except myself and my conciousness, but obviously within my reality i believe alot, hard to explain but i hope you see what i mean. As for uniqueness i am completely unique and proud of it in every aspect of myself, noone is the same and similar doesnt cut it, even twins have huge differences in both dna and personalities (even the most identical still have big differences) , my personality is formed by both social surroundings, people and my own inbuilt sense of how things are, id put it at 60-40 for social to myself, i have strong feelings inside me that noone else ever put there, they are my own beliefs and thoughts its all shaped by society but its my own and noone else shares them equally. human sacrifice was practiced regularly in olden times even just to get a good harvest, christianitys origins involved it too but then again you have a clash there with history and the bible, which to believe, me personally i believe this: cavemen - beliveing in gods in all things that they personally have to do with, rocks, animals etc next stage up till they get civilised - believing in gods of things they know less about but hear about through other tribes etc first communities developing - believing in a one god and the origins of christianity are born but at this time they still practice human sacrificies to this god in the hope it will bring good crops or water sources or the like. from there christianity developed and islam and many others all across the world, some just became stronger than others there were probably 1000 religions like christianity, for whatever reason it became one of the stronger ones. thats what i think happened, i dont entertain the notion of adam and eve at all, its too pat and too storylike, if anyone knows the series Red Dwarf there is a superb episode in which (set in deep space many years in the future and comedy) they find the copy of the original bible and some markings on the inside cover, on closer inspection it states something like "to ben and mark my two sons, the story im about to tell is entirely fictional and the characters within bear no resemblence...." well you see my point, i found that incredibly amusing though im sure to christians that may well be insulting, but out of all of the comedy of it, i actually believe the bible is but that, a good read, a story and nothing more, read the silmarillion by tolkien, its like a bible, not as preachy but there are so many similarities. thats why i said in many earlier posts, you cant plug any holes, likewise neither can i as the only way to prove it either way is through supernatural experience, but because were in the situation where i dont need to prove there is a god because no proof exists, its up to you to prove it to me. ie if someone says the yeti exists, you ask them to prove it and until they do their argument is less valid, thats the way i look at this one, id like some solid proof before i believe any of it, but my mind is open to believing it but as i said before even if it all turns out to be true its not my business one way or the other [img]tongue.gif[/img] so long as god doesnt bother me i wont bother him, he respects me and i respect him back, he did something bad to me and id kick his rearend [img]tongue.gif[/img] you get the idea anyway.