[Yorick]

Originally posted by LordKathen: 2. No, I meant interpreted. It has been interpreted by every religion out there to there own personnel agenda or opinion. All the differences in the religions prove that. Whats a sin to one is not to another. Was that power to the people? What about power to the god? Do you think it was his intention to confuse the crap out of everybody. I know this becouse I have no fear of death. I am not afraid to come outside the box and question the norm. Where you there to put so much "faith" in something you can not prove? 3. I dont think you can assure me of anything. As you said, they are divided themselves, so how could you know? By what you read? More doctrine. 3b.I think you have experienced something you cannot explain, so you say it was god, as humans have been doing for ever. Was it an overwhelming feeling of joy or comfort? These can be explained biologically. And until you prove THAT wrong, its all fantasy to ME [img]smile.gif[/img] 4.Yes, I do think there is no logic in love. Love is an emotion, thats all. Of course it exists, does anger exists, loneliness, happiness? Trusting my wife is completly different than trusting an invisable god going on nothing but doctrine.

2. Your facts are getting shady mate. "Every religion out there" doesn't regard the Bible as the inspired word of God. Hinduism doesn't, Buddhism doesn't, Islam and Mormonism believes it has errors, Judaism Includes the first five books of the Bible in the Torah, but rejects the New testament. Zoroastrianism doesn't.

The only world religion that regards the Bible as the inspired word of God - read literally - is Christianity. The Myriad translations have remained consistent.

3. I can't assure you that Siddartha was a historical Prince? Do you reject historical records? Do you disbelieve any historical human existed, or do you pick and choose like this? Why would you refute that Buddha existed despite the mountainous evidence suggesting otherwise?

I suppose Jesus, Julius Caeser, Muhammad, Sun Tzu, Confucious, Hammurabi and Ramesees were all fictional characters and not historical people of influence either??

The Buddhists are divided as to Buddhas existence NOW, not in history.

3b. Regarding my experience, you are in now way able to speak about that which I've experienced. That is presupposing your reality onto me. An impossibility. I do not need to prove you wrong. It makes no difference to my worldview whatsoever.

4. You contradict yourself. You said and I quote:

"There is only PROVEN facts of logic". (sic)

Yet now you've turned around and said:

"Yes, I do think there is no logic in love. Love is an emotion, thats all. Of course it exists".

So which is it? Is existence limited to that which is logically proven, or do you allow for the existence of things which can not be?

Regarding this statement of yours: "Trusting my wife is completly different than trusting an invisable god going on nothing but doctrine"
But of course. I never said I trust an invisible god going on nothing on doctrine. I trust the Creator of the Universe, through an ongoing interractive relationship enabled by the death and resurection of Jesus Christ and the presence of the Holy Spirit in my life.

So let's take the comparison to a spousal relationship. I was married seven years. I know a little bit about love, trust and faith in a relationship.

Can you prove your wife loves you? Can you quantify and measure the amount? Do you logically test and measure opposite tests?

She could be lying. her whole life could be a lie. That would not be a unique scenario.

Without TRUST, without taking a step of FAITH, believing that, yes she does love you, and thus making yourself vulnerable and loving her, the relationship would not exist functionally.

As such it is no different than a relationship with God. God gives us the choice to seek him out, ignore him, reject him, love him or remain apathetic. Faith is what gives a relationship with God it's value, just as trust and vulnerability give a spousal relationship it's value.

[ 11-11-2002, 02:59 PM: Message edited by: Yorick ]