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Originally posted by Mellagar:
Man realizes that he thinks therefore he exists, he becomes his own creator by thought and God disappears in a poof of logic. See how easy that is?
Here's a mathematical formula:
God + Faith = Control of Masses / Number of believers * Those who might believe - Those who can think for themselves = Over two billion who think god exists and adhere to his imginary laws of virtue and life. And in decimal form equals the small handful who are capable thinking for themselves and do not need some prodigal son, or epic spiritual creation to tell them they need to eat, sleep, bath, speak, and live a certain way.
Think about this for a moment everyone. You are living in the 21st century, yet you believe in something that was popular during a time when people drank from the same water camels bathed in. Also, when christianity became popular the literacy rate was about as low as Alabama's, but much worse. The notion of Jesus......here we have a carpenter....now his wife comes up him and says she is carrying God's baby? For those men who are married, how many of you would belive your wife if she told you this? Jesus, when he is much older goes from 12 to 35....he stays around prostitutes during the most hormonal period in his life and you want to tell me he wasn't doing anything? IT GET'S PRETTY DULL IN THE DESERT...NOT A LOT TO DO.
Religion was a way to control the rioting masses over 2,000 years ago. But if people need reassurance that the world is wonderful and there is a special place for them all, then I suppose religion will stay, which I have no doubts that it will.
One last thing. God created the universe, and everything. What created god? Occam's Razor says that usually and most likely the simplest answer is usually the correct answer. Could it be that someone, like Homer and the Illiad, created one of the greatest mythical stories in a time when people were illiterate and wanted something to believe in, were told this grand story by writers who saw a way of controlling the masses. Perhaps the writers of the Bible were the first fantasy book cult, just like the Tolkein cults out there. How many of you believe Frodo is the massiah, and Gandalf is Moses? Because that's about how much sense it all makes.
As I have heard it said before: "Religion is poison."
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"Man realizes that he thinks therefore he exists, he becomes his own creator by thought and God disappears in a poof of logic." What an unbelievable stretch of logic dear sir. I suppose when the dog becomes aware of it's tail that it becomes it's own creator too.
How you've equated self awareness with self-creation is beyond me.
Secondly, regarding Occams Razor, it's a general rule of thumb, not a hard and fast rule. However, that given, what is simpler? That the Universes atoms are all holding together out of sheer chance, or that the energy of a creative mind is holding it together? That the universe could just one day, just plop into existence, from nothing, or that a creative mind was behind it. That human intelligence just haphazardly developped by pure stroke of luck and one in ten kazillion to one odds, or that a creative mind developed it?
It would seem that what 'the simplest answer is' is extremely subjective, so one should be careful about applying Occams Razor to GODs existence.
To get an insight into the mind of God, all one need to is pick up a paintbrush and paint a tree on an Autumn afternoon.
Then go and look at the intricacy of the leafs pattern, then move back and see the beauty in the shape of the tree itself.
God is an artist.
As for who created God, the belief in an eternal creator is just that. That he has eternally existed. We don't suggest that God had a begining. It is people who don't believe in him who suggest that he has to have a beginning.
Incomprehensible? A being without a beginning is outside human experience! Everything has to have a beginning!
Exactly. Humans cannot create outside their experience.
Humans cannot fully comprehend, much less create the concept of an eternal God.
[ 11-10-2002, 02:16 PM: Message edited by: Yorick ]