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Originally posted by Eisenschwarz:
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Originally posted by The Hunter of Jahanna:
Math and god are one in the same. Neither exist in the physical world and both exist in the minds of humanity. 5 is a number.Numbers are what math is made of but it is called many diffrent things. Five,cinco,cinq,funf, but whatever you call it is is still 5. God is very similar, weather it is called Budda,Jesus,Allah , it is still the same thing. An expression of the divine fit to meet a persons needs. You cant go to the store and buy a "5" just like you cant go out and see a "god". Unless god pulls the trick he did in Monty Python and parts the clouds to speak no one can realy prove his existance. The same can be said for numbers. THeir relative value is determined by the significance humanity gives them. You can change five to Rammalammadingdong and make the symbol into this"#" but that doesnt change how many fingers are on your hand.Same thing with god. You can call it whatever and express it how ever but that doesnt change its basic nature.
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Yes, A most pertinent Point.
hen it comes down to it, It is purely a matter of Faith,
Since Faith in a god presumes that which you might seek to prove, Thus since you presuppose the answer, you cannot prove that god exists.[/QUOTE]Ah, Dramnek Ulk. Haven't we tired of speaking about what we don't believe in by now? With the right argument you may 'prove' that the person you're arguing with doesn't exist. Is that person going to stop believing that they exist simply because you can string words together well enough? Or will they
rely on what they know to be true, rely on what they persistently feel.
You see God gives love, peace, joy and food for the soul that you can never take away. At the end of the day, the best result you can achieve in an arguement is the person of faith not understanding why they believe what they do. They still will believe though. Just as you can "prove" the love of their life doesn't really love them - they will go on how they feel when they are receiving love.
So will that make you feel better? Does your worldview depend on others NOT believing in God? Will that remove a deep seated fear or something?
God exists. Love exists.
Prove that someone loves you.
Prove that you love someone.
Prove that God exists.
All these need Faith and Trust to be truly felt and known. A need of Faith and Trust does NOT equate nonexistence.