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Old 11-05-2002, 07:52 AM   #43
Barry the Sprout
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Join Date: October 19, 2001
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Age: 42
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Originally posted by Ziroc:
And you would feel this same way if say.. the terrorists flew 4 planes into Big Ben, Houses Of Parliament, Buckingham Palace and Tower Bridge?

If so........
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Well, thats kind of my point. Because human emotions are involved this will have a tendancy to spiral out of control. The US wants justice for Sept 11th, but the more people we kill in response the more people who in turn want justice for their dead loved ones. Westerners aren't the only people in the world to feel grief, and the victims elsewhere in the world can't flick a switch on the side of their heads to make them think "Well, he deserved it so we shouldn't be sad or feel wronged.". As for whether or not I would feel the same... I honestly don't know. It's kind of hard to say. I'm not trying to preach over how people should feel, just pointing out that there will be a lot more to grieve about unless we stop this approach.

Hierophant, I'm not so sure of your analysis personally. There are some groups out there who oppose the whole Western way of life, but how do they gain support? If Western nations like the US and the UK weren't so oppressive then they would have no support whatsoever. The groups rely on heavy grass-roots support, thats where we have to knock them out. We need to make sure people see these groups for what they are. They aren't a way out of poverty or oppression, they are a way to further it. People won't see that if what the groups say correlates pretty much exactly with what we are doing. This is a "Nested Games" situation here - not everyone is playing the same game for the same goals, and that is causing us to help our enemies.

[ 11-05-2002, 07:53 AM: Message edited by: Barry the Sprout ]
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