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Old 10-14-2002, 01:07 PM   #24
Timber Loftis
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Originally posted by MagiK:
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Originally posted by Timber Loftis:
Yes, it's a shame the comment regarding President Bush was made. Carter had rights to the award on his own, and didn't need President Bush's help.

You make it sound like it is Bush's fault Carter didn't get credit. How about placing the blame squarely where it belongs, on the people who made the statement.

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I think we will have to see just how History will reflect Bush' erfforts both in intelligence gathering and in how to deal with terrorist threats and Outlaw nations that refuse to conduct business in an ever more civilized manner. hamstrining your intelligence agencies over who they can and cannot talk to to get information in the "real world" is completely stupid...in my opinion.

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I know I had decided not to respond to your posts from now on, but since I can only seem to get in here mondays and tuesdays...I figured what the heck.
[/QUOTE]1. You are right that President Bush did not keep Carter from getting credit. President Bush shows no disrespect to past Presidents. I was, as you point out, commenting that the guy who made the comment (I forget his official name or title) put a shadow over the award and politicized something for his own political agenda - which was insulting to Carter and President Bush alike.

2. I can't comment on your assertions as to being "on the line" with Carter in office, but it's something to think on for sure.

3. Regarding the "hamstringing" of intelligence agencies - I do not wish that. I simply don't want civil rights (like privacy of citizens) trampled upon. I'll point out that non-citizens don't have the full protection of civil rights that citizens do, and that my statement is limited to Constitutional issues and the rights we citizens have vis-a-vis the government. As well, I think Congress's recent approval of placing the "use of force" decision squarely in the administration's hands has some Separation of Powers issues. I've not fully explored the text, so I won't go further than to say that I "suspect" a few issues might be there when I do read the full text.

4. I'm always happy to be your sounding board when you've got nothing better to do, Magick. Sorry you'd decided not to reply to my posts anymore - does that mean I won or something?
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