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Sir Taliesin · 10-08-2002, 09:55 PM

Hi LofA and Majik! Been a while since I talked to you both! My last tour of duty was with the 125th ARCOM Rifle team. I personally used a National Match M-14 (7.62x51 or .308), but those rifles are now being phased out of the inventory. The ALL ARMY Rifle Team switched over to the AR15 National Match Rifle and went to a heavier bullet than what is currently used by the US and NATO. They use a Speer 82 grain match grade bullet. Their particular load is as accurate as any match grade .308 currently on the market. Now that bullet has to be matched with a certain twist (1 in 7 if my memory is correct) in barrel. The venerable M-16a1 had a twist rate of 1 in 12 and fired a much lighter bullet, which decreased it's range to 600 meters. When the Marines adopted the M-16a2, they went with a heavier barrel and a 1 in 9 twist rate to match the slightly heavier NATO adopted round. The M-16a2 is a much more accurate weapon at a longer distance. The National Match is even more so!

Where am I going with this you ask? Well if you go purchase a Shotgun Newspaper at your local Walmart, you'll find that you can purchase one of these babies at about $200 more than a standard AR15. I should think for around $1000. That's another reason why police departments like them so much.

BTW, at Camp Perry (The biggest Rifle Match in the US), the National Match AR15 is the Target Rifle of choice in the Service Rifle catagory. the Marine Corp Rifle Team as won several Service Rifle Matches with and no longer use the M-14NM.

LofA you are correct in stating that the Sniper rifle of choice is a 7.62x51. (Remington makes them). But next time you watch the news pay close attention to what the SF guys are using on their M-16a2s and M-4s.

[ 10-08-2002, 10:02 PM: Message edited by: Sir Taliesin ]

10-08-2002, 09:55 PM	#68
Sir Taliesin Silver Dragon Join Date: March 4, 2001 Location: Knoxville, TN USA Age: 62 Posts: 1,641	Hi LofA and Majik! Been a while since I talked to you both! My last tour of duty was with the 125th ARCOM Rifle team. I personally used a National Match M-14 (7.62x51 or .308), but those rifles are now being phased out of the inventory. The ALL ARMY Rifle Team switched over to the AR15 National Match Rifle and went to a heavier bullet than what is currently used by the US and NATO. They use a Speer 82 grain match grade bullet. Their particular load is as accurate as any match grade .308 currently on the market. Now that bullet has to be matched with a certain twist (1 in 7 if my memory is correct) in barrel. The venerable M-16a1 had a twist rate of 1 in 12 and fired a much lighter bullet, which decreased it's range to 600 meters. When the Marines adopted the M-16a2, they went with a heavier barrel and a 1 in 9 twist rate to match the slightly heavier NATO adopted round. The M-16a2 is a much more accurate weapon at a longer distance. The National Match is even more so! Where am I going with this you ask? Well if you go purchase a Shotgun Newspaper at your local Walmart, you'll find that you can purchase one of these babies at about $200 more than a standard AR15. I should think for around $1000. That's another reason why police departments like them so much. BTW, at Camp Perry (The biggest Rifle Match in the US), the National Match AR15 is the Target Rifle of choice in the Service Rifle catagory. the Marine Corp Rifle Team as won several Service Rifle Matches with and no longer use the M-14NM. LofA you are correct in stating that the Sniper rifle of choice is a 7.62x51. (Remington makes them). But next time you watch the news pay close attention to what the SF guys are using on their M-16a2s and M-4s. [ 10-08-2002, 10:02 PM: Message edited by: Sir Taliesin ] __________________ Sir Taliesin<br /><br />Hello... Good bye.