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10-08-2002, 05:47 PM

Gaaaaaaaah Im locked out from work again.

Sir T. [img]smile.gif[/img] lookforward to discussing firearms with you when I get the next chance. In all my years using Rifles and Pistols I have never heard anyone promote the .223 as a "sniper" round. the .223 is a far cry from a .308 and that has always been the round of choice by anyone I have been associated with for a sniper round unless you start talking 3/4 mile or so then they start talking about about the big .50. The AR15,M16 are assault type weaposn and are not designed for long range fire. THe M16 round is designed to tumble..definately NOT something you want happening for long range shots.

The M14 was used in a pinch as a sniper weapon but was not Ideal and before that they used the 30-06 (talk about over penetrating)

Maybe for short range urban situations they use the .223 but I would think they would rather use some kind of expanding round out of a .308 so that you had essentially the same balistics.

As for effectiveness we would never use our .223 for a human or deer size target if we had access to a larger round, such as a .243, .284 or .308 (I really like the .284 but they are hard to find. We lost several deer after we hit them and knocked them down with the .223, found one of them later and there was a circular bare spot where the hot load .223 exploded on contact with the skin and blew all the hair and surface level of the hide right off but didnt stop the deer

You can turn an M16 into a distance weapon but out of the box it isn't desigend for that.....I know I guy who had a special built 7mm Mag desigend as a sniper weapon...he uses it to pick white tail deer off at 700 yards [img]smile.gif[/img] It has a 22lb match barrel.

the last thing this "stream of conciousness" wants to say is that there are differences between civilian rounds labeled as .308 and military rounds labeled as 7.62 anyway, here is hoping I can get in from work again tomorrow...I tried the host file trick to no avail...I can get to the IP addy, but not into the forums via the link from that page

Im afraid Z might be using some kind of non-standard port for his forums

[ 10-08-2002, 05:52 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

10-08-2002, 05:47 PM	#63
MagiK Guest Posts: n/a	Gaaaaaaaah Im locked out from work again. Sir T. [img]smile.gif[/img] lookforward to discussing firearms with you when I get the next chance. In all my years using Rifles and Pistols I have never heard anyone promote the .223 as a "sniper" round. the .223 is a far cry from a .308 and that has always been the round of choice by anyone I have been associated with for a sniper round unless you start talking 3/4 mile or so then they start talking about about the big .50. The AR15,M16 are assault type weaposn and are not designed for long range fire. THe M16 round is designed to tumble..definately NOT something you want happening for long range shots. The M14 was used in a pinch as a sniper weapon but was not Ideal and before that they used the 30-06 (talk about over penetrating) Maybe for short range urban situations they use the .223 but I would think they would rather use some kind of expanding round out of a .308 so that you had essentially the same balistics. As for effectiveness we would never use our .223 for a human or deer size target if we had access to a larger round, such as a .243, .284 or .308 (I really like the .284 but they are hard to find. We lost several deer after we hit them and knocked them down with the .223, found one of them later and there was a circular bare spot where the hot load .223 exploded on contact with the skin and blew all the hair and surface level of the hide right off but didnt stop the deer You can turn an M16 into a distance weapon but out of the box it isn't desigend for that.....I know I guy who had a special built 7mm Mag desigend as a sniper weapon...he uses it to pick white tail deer off at 700 yards [img]smile.gif[/img] It has a 22lb match barrel. the last thing this "stream of conciousness" wants to say is that there are differences between civilian rounds labeled as .308 and military rounds labeled as 7.62 anyway, here is hoping I can get in from work again tomorrow...I tried the host file trick to no avail...I can get to the IP addy, but not into the forums via the link from that page Im afraid Z might be using some kind of non-standard port for his forums [ 10-08-2002, 05:52 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]