Donut, my friend, I couldn't agree with you more. Well, Z told us that we were gonna get slammed when NWN came out, and once again the all -knowing one is right. I don't mind so much in the Cafe, but you are right, spamming for rank should not be tolerated. There has also been a rash of one- or two-word and smiley posts, which we have been informed that Z think are real, pure spam. As to the question of whether the younger IW'ers should have their own forum, heck, I'd be for it, but it's akk up to Ziroc (and Choc, I assume.)