[Shadowstrider]

Originally posted by Cerek the Barbaric: Shadowstrider, If you disagree with the Bible, that is fine. You have every right to do so. However, please try to be a bit more respectful in your disagreement.

That was pretty respectful from me. I am not big on "let's keep a smile on our face no matter what the situation." If I disagree(and I am not saying I do, but IF I do) I will bring facts in. If it comes across as condescending, disrespectful or rude... Report it to a mod, and let them ban me.

Has Evil Al been contacted by celestials lately? NO, he believes in God, not celestials. And I'm quite sure he HAS been in contact with God.

It must be a one-way call. I have never heard of anyone coming into contact with god. I have seen people see "his work" though, but I have never heard anyone say they saw HIM(or her?) in the act. Thus your placing this all in faith. Faith is not infallible.

I am also a Christian who believes in the infallible Bible. Celestials don't provide our understanding.....GOD DOES! That doesn't work for you....that's not a problem. I respect your view. Please do the same for ours.

So YOU have personally spoken with God and heard his reply in english(or your 1st language)? If so, I would like to shake your hand.

Secondly, if you want to question the Bible, that's fine too. But you make a pre-emptive strike and insult Al before he even has a chance to respond. Calling somebody an "oaf" before you even hear their answer is just plain rude.

Where the hell did I call him an "oaf?" Where the hell did I insult him? I said IF he sidestepped the issue he is an oaf. By dictionary definition an oaf is:

A person regarded as stupid or clumsy

He would be quite clumsy to try and sidestep a simple answer wouldn't he? Afterall simple answers, more often then not, cause less contradictions.

I will be happy to answer your question under 2 conditions.

I will not give into your demands, even if they were "eat this slice of delicious cake, and drink this warm milk." I believe in freedom. If I am out of line, the moderators are more then welcome to warn and/or ban me. This is THEIR property afterall, thus I have no freedom of speach here. So if they want me gone, I'll leave, untill then I will act as I do everywhere else. Is that fine with you? If not, you're free to not answer.

1) That you disagree in a respectful manner. If you don't accept the answer I give, that's fine. I won't try to "prove I'm right". I will simply answer the question based on my faith.

Respect is a subjective term. Where I am from all disagreements are respectful. If one disagrees and takes offense, it's a shame, but it happens.

2) But before ANY of that can be done, the MODS have to give the OK. There is currently a moratorium on religious discussions because of the type of comments we are already seeing in this thread.

Well the mods have free reign to silence this discussion.

I have sent an e-mail to one of the Moderators asking if the moratorium may be lifted. When it is....I plan to start a thread that will address these very issues. It will be an open discussion forum for non-beleivers to ask questions about the supposed inconsistencies in the Bible and other faith-based issues.

I have read the bible 3 times on my own, and extra bits when I once went to church. Likewise I have read the Qur'an 2 times. I know theologics pretty well.

I hope to be able to start that soon, but it's best to avoid the subject as much as possible until the MODS grant their approval.

I'll be waiting...Or perhaps we could take it to the BIS forums which are intended for this type of discussion?

Oh, one last thing. Sephorith, You don't have to believe in God for a prayer offered on your behalf to work. God just has to believe in you.....and HE DOES!

I take offense to people wanting to plead on my behalf. That would be like people offering up my plea in court for me...after all doesn't judgement come to us all according to the bible?