[Talthyr Malkaviel]

Originally posted by John D Harris: quote: Originally posted by Talthyr Malkaviel: quote: Originally posted by John D Harris: Either both are symbols of violent group or neither are!

No, both were used by violent groups, it's the interpretation that counts, and almost everyone has a similar image of the nazi salute and what it means, but the raised fist isn't automatically synonymous with the black panthers.[/QUOTE]Well we talking about what the raised fisted meant and was used as in the USA, which it was used as a symbol of a violent group in the USA. That is the context of the usage since the usage of the raised fist happened in the USA (in the context of this thread's starting post), not the UK, France, or the Old USSR.[/QUOTE]Well, it doesn't look to me like the teenager in question had bvery violent intents, he merely stood there with his arm raised,that is passive, he did not attack someone while he was at it, he merely had his fist raised, and his actions were fully passive.