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Originally posted by johnny:
Could't it be that the reason why the "moderate" clerics don't condemn the loud ones is that they quietly agree with them, at least to some extend ?
Research learns that an awful lot of the muslims in Europe would welcome a life under Sharia rule, which goes directly against everything we in the west stand for. You can only wonder why on earth they would come and live amongst such a "godforsaken" people such as us western infidels. Seems to me that they are completely out of place here. Would it be weird if i say that "Apartheid" wasn't such a bad thing after all ?
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It would be weird to say that apartheid is a good thing, I think, after the world fought so hard to eradicate it in South Africa.
As for your first question, I can only speak from my own personal experience - your experience may be different. Personally, I don't see the point in putting all Muslims in the same basket - that's generalising and is no better than what some of these fanatical mullahs are going by generalising Westerners. I prefer to judge each person as an individual, whatever their religion is - but that's just me. I haven't had the experiences with Muslims that you might have had, which is why I'm a bit more chilled out.
My understanding is that most of these are the young (16-to-24yos), European-born, 2nd-or-3rd-generation Muslims (usually male) who want to live under sharia - 1 in 8 in the UK according to some poll. Their parents (and in some cases grandparents) feel more attuned to life in the West than they do.
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Young Muslims favour Sharia laws
LONDON: Evidence that Britain is beset by a growing societal rift emerged yesterday with a poll showing large minorities of young Muslims in favour of Islamic law and inspired by political Islam.
One in eight young Muslims supports Al Qaeda, according to the Populus poll, in findings likely to stoke a debate about Muslims' place in Britain that has held centre stage since the July 7, 2005 suicide bombings.
Munira Mirza, whose independent Policy Exchange think-tank commissioned the poll, claimed the results suggested that two decades of British government policy was to blame for sharpening divisions between Muslims and non-Muslims.
The rift is partly "a result of multi-cultural policies implemented since the 1980s emphasising difference at the expense of shared national identity and divided people along ethnic, religious and cultural lines," Mirza said.
Since a fierce debate erupted last year over whether Muslim women should wear the full-face veil, government ministers have stressed shared values of fairness and democracy.
According to the Internet and phone poll of 1,003 Muslims, 37 per cent of 16-to-24-year-olds said they would prefer to live under Sharia law compared to just 17pc of the over-55s.
The same number of young Muslims said they would prefer to send their children to Islamic state schools while 74pc said they preferred Muslim women to wear the hijab headscarf in public.
Among the over-55s, the figures were 19pc and 28pc on the same questions.
A small overall minority (seven pc) said they "admire organisations like Al Qaeda that are prepared to fight the West". The figure was highest among younger people (13pc) but just three pc among older people.
In general, more over-55s felt they had as much, if not more, in common with non-Muslims in Britain than with Muslims abroad (71pc), but that fell to 62pc among 16-to-24-year-olds.
Mirza said: "There is clearly conflict within British Islam between a moderate majority that accepts the norms of Western democracy and a growing minority that does not.
"Religiosity amongst younger Muslims is not about following their parents' cultural traditions but rather their interest in religion is more politicised."
http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story...&IssueID=29316
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Angry young men, basically.
[ 02-01-2007, 07:12 AM: Message edited by: Memnoch ]