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Originally posted by wellard:
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Originally posted by johnny:
No, we don't have the facts, but since you started this thread, it's only natural that you provide us with them. [img]tongue.gif[/img] For instance, i'd still like to know where mr. Hicks was arrested and what was he doing there ? Was he carrying firearms ? Was he shooting at coalition forces ? Or was he at the wrong place at the wrong time ? WHAT ?!?!?
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Well Johnny facts are hard to come by since Mr. Hicks as not been able to defend himself in a court of law or even been able to talk to the press or have indeed more than 4 or 5 phone calls to his family in all those years.
Firstly - I have no problem with him being held as a POW (the US govt deny him this right) at least he would be treated under the Geneva Convention.
Secondly - If he has committed an act of 'terror' rather than just being a soldier for the "losing side" then lock the arsehole away for life no problems with that at all! 
Ok some details that may or may not be correct ...
"He was captured on the 9 December 2001 near Kunduz in Afghanistan by the Northern Alliance." Yes that is over two years before the USA invasion of Iraq BUT a month or more after the first small contingents of allied troops arrived in Afghanistan.
It appears that he was fighting as a soldier for what he believed in and had been in the area well before the awful Sept 2001 attack on the USA. There is nothing I can find that shows a hint that he was involved in any fight against the Americans. It seems to be that at worse he was involved in fighting other Muslims. [img]graemlins/1ponder.gif[/img]
Of course it should be up to the hang em high brigade to show what proof they have ...... but that would be justice and we can't have that can we? [img]graemlins/dunno.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]Emphasis mine.
Once again, where was he captured? I have asked this countless times, and been told that that has yet to be proven in court. As I said, where he was captured isn't as much a part of the case as what he was doing there. According to letters he sent to his parents, he was training to fight the Jewish propaganda machine.
Fact: The US did not go to Adelaide Australia and arrest him on principle. I would also put forth that he wasn't alone when caught. Put all this nobody knows where he was caught crap in the stool, where it belongs. He was captured near Kunduz. Last I knew, that's not in Australia. This is not an allegation, nor a charge, this is cold, hard reality. Deal with it, but don't put it on me because you have a hard time accepting it for what ever reason. (Although I believe the reason is that it's fun to bash US policy.)
What ever the truth is about what he was doing there, despite the fact that there is plenty of public information in regard to that, will come out in court, and then he'll get what ever fate is his. After it's over, he may wish he'd just been left to rot. Be that as it may, to sit there and tell me over and over that nobody knows where he was is, as I said before, denial. See a shrink, but don't lay your foibles off on me. The where he was fact was posted on page two, by Wellard. Unlike other dialogs that we've been in, where you decided to go off on a tirade against me personally, I'm going to put this here, now: I didn't post where he was caught, Wellard did. This
fact was presented by the Free him side of the discussion. The timeline of events on the site that was linked to shows clearly that he was in Afghanistan. So, back off. It's a fact, and it doesn't require a jury to determine it.
As to his trial, it's been pointed out that the delay isn't on the government, but on the defense for several detainees. So I guess you can let that part go too. Detainees won a decision in SCOTUS that tribunals were unconstitutional, and so the process has to start all over again. I guess they should have thought about how long they were going to sit in jail before they decided to challenge the courts, and ultimately, it won't help them.