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Originally posted by Yorick:
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Originally posted by Micah Foehammer:
I said this before: - You can't demand justice if you aren't willing to dispense it fairly and EQUALLY. If you want to argue for someone right's then you damn well better be willing to grant those rights to EVERYONE regardless of what you think of them and whether you think they are guilty or not!
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o.k. I'll bite:
As soon as I've kept the entire USA a prisoner without trial and subjected you all to torture then you may have a point. Until then, why be comparing a national government holding and torturing a human indefinitely without trial, to a person crying foul on the internet??
You're a crazy person Micah.
"The USA tortures enemy combatants."
That is a factual statement based on evidence and convictions from Abu Ghraib, and based on the signed affadavits of at least 3 Australians from Guantanamo Bay, and countless others.
And if the US has NOT tortured Guantanamo Bay prisonoers, why would they be fighting so hard to have evidence gained through torture deemed "admissable" in court.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/12/02/gu...ees/index.html Would seem to be really obvious. No use fighting for something you're not doing.
You do the math Micah.
1.Prisoners and officials say there has been torture
2.Military wants evidence from torture admissable.
Americans need to have a long hard look at their souls concerning the use of torture during this war.
Robert: regardless of what abuses occur in USA, that's no excuse for abuses period, let alone abuses to international citizens. In fact it actually makes your nation MORE likely to be guilty. If that's what your government does to mere criminals, of course it would escalate with suspected "enemy combatants".
You're creating a Straw Man, saying "well if these guys are doing it it's ok." trouble is, it's still not ok and it's still YOU GUYS committing both abuses!
Oh and btw Hicks applied for DUAL citizenship. That means he's still Aussie, as well as being British.
The British got their boys home. The Australian government are complicit in this by acquiescing with US wishes. [/QUOTE]Let me try this ONE more time and maybe you will FINALLY get it through your thick skull. Three affadavits of alleged torture against members of the US armed forces at GITMO are NOT proof, yet you are willing to convict them out of hand simply based on crimes committed by other people at another time and another place. And you don't see the one-sidedness of that while calling for David Hicks release for what you see as lack of proof? And you call ME crazy?
Maybe the charges ARE true, but they still need to be PROVED. No matter HOW strong the circumstantial evidence is. That kind of sounds like the argument you are making on Mr Hicks behalf, doesn't it?
Aside to Shamrock - yeah that one thing struck me as out of place. I think it was included in the list for two reasons: one was simply to establish the time frame of his actions and secondly, to counter claims that Mr Hicks was unaware of certain events when he went back to Afghanistan.
[ 11-29-2006, 07:50 AM: Message edited by: Micah Foehammer ]