[Iron_Ranger]

Originally posted by Grojlach: Have you even read the Arnett article? What he said was that the US's initial war plans had failed because of Iraqi resistance... Unless you're referring to something which wasn't covered in the Arnett topic here on Ironworks, he never said anything about "losing the war". Honestly, Iron Ranger, I've yet to see any articles claiming that the US and the UK are losing this war; so please give us examples of these articles*, as the point you're trying to make is more or less mute without them. Though I agree with the sentiment that there aren't any winners in a war, only losers. * Mind you, far left articles don't really count; they're as trustworthy and have as many (or have the same lack of) facts as far right articles, and aren't exactly representative for the general opinions of the entire pro- or anti-war movement. Any person with a right mind should dismiss the validity of both of those. But you seem to be implying that you were talking about larger newsstations, including International ones, so go ahead and post links to those; I'm curious. [/QB]

'initial war plans had failed'. Failed usally indicates you are losing at something correct?
Initial war plans have not failed.

There arent all that many (unless you count far leftist) articals that say, simply we are losing the war. But its more of the spin news agencys put on it. Like 'Fierce Fire Fighting outside of Basra' and such. That implys we are struggling a great deal with the war in Iraq.