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Originally posted by Thoran: Quote: Originally posted by Animal: You talk about the treatment of women in Iraq. I ask you this...do you know exactly how many women are beaten each day in the US or Canada or Britain or Germany or France, or any western culture because the men have the freedom to go out to the bar and get pissed each night, come home and beat the living crap out of their girlfriends or wives? Before the US, or any other nation for that matter starts passing judgement, they need to take a long hard look at their own culture. How many women in the United States are being beaten tonight? We have no right, NO RIGHT, to pass judgement on Iraq, when we are no better than they are.

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I understand the point of your argument and I tend to agree with it (I try very hard not to be judgemental, I know my house is made of glass), but propegating this sort of feminist misinformation is simply unacceptable to me.

-Are you aware that EVERY unbiased study of domestic violence in the US and Canada has shown that women instigate violence in DV situations AT LEAST 50% of the time? (one canadian study showed that women instigate DV MORE often than men).

-Are you aware that in the US is the police are called to a home for a domestic violence incident, they will AUTOMATICALLY arrest the male in the majority of cases (Deluth Model) even if HE is the one who called the police in the first place.

-Are you aware that there are many hundreds of shelters where battered women can go with their children to escape violent men... and that only ONE that I'm aware of (in California) accepts battered men.

-Are you aware that even though men are much larger and stronger in most cases, UNBIASED research shows that hospital admission records indicate 30% of DV related admissions are MEN... and this is even though men are MUCH less likely to seek out help for DV related injuries, and MUCH more likely to attempt to hide the fact that their injury is DV related.

-Are you aware that the term "Domestic Violence" technically includes Child Abuse... and that women commit two-thirds of all child abuse in the US? If those statistics are factored in, then women are responsible for SIGNIFICANTLY
more violence in the home than men are.

I would suggest that you do some research on the subject, because before I did I would have accepted those feminist misinformed statements just as readily as you have. If you would like references for the above information I'd be more than happy to provide.[/QUOTE]wow a lot there I was ignorant of