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Old 04-07-2003, 10:33 AM   #66
Thoran
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Join Date: January 10, 2002
Location: Upstate NY
Age: 57
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Bin Laden attacked because of our policy in Saudi Arabia
That is true - the US is supporting a dicatorship which uses torture and imprisonment without trial as an ordinary tool of the state. Saudia Arabia can *never* see a successful popular uprising nor peaceful reform as long as it receives the support of the United States. So Bin Laden's tactic was to attempt to make the US re-appraise its foreign policy with regards to Saudia Arabia.

[/QUOTE]Not quite, Bin Laden acted because he was offended by the presence of "Infidels" on Saudi Soil. Before Air bases popped up in Saudi he had no interest in human rights or Palestine, etc... The idea that he acted because of US support of the Saudi government is not supported by a shred of evidence from the period that I've ever seen. Sounds like revisionism to me.

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Was it you who claimed Europe was not jut as much in the supporting dictatorships for gain? That is the biggest joke ever.
No, don't just say "it's a joke" - give me examples.
Show me where the French have military bases located within the territories of a dictatorship? Give me an example of how German secret agents overthrew a democratically elected government. Drop in an article about how the Spanish are selling large amounts of arms to a dictatorship or how Denmark is giving big cash bonus's to dictators.

The only EU country that you can truly point the finger at is the United States long-term partner in crime, the UK. But I already mentioned them, didn't I?

I have a feeling that I'm in for a long wait...
[/QUOTE]Hmm... the idea that anyone holds moral high ground in this world is ludicrous. The French have skelatons in their closet that date back many hundreds of years. In recent history one could discuss places like Algeria, Vietnam and some islands in the South Pacific... but frankly I'm not interested in pointless arm chair quarterbacking of decisions made decades ago to support governments based on criteria that no longer apply. I find it interesting that you bring up selling arms though, especially in light of recent documents which enumerate sales of military spare parts and equipment to Iraq from several of the nations on your list. Additionally I'd suggest you do a quick search regarding the region of the world that is the leading consumer of exported French Arms... there are no clean hands in this world.

[ 04-07-2003, 10:35 AM: Message edited by: Thoran ]
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