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Originally posted by Mordenheim:
You are such a idealist but SO wrong.
In no way can you or anyone else EVER defend what is going on by a select few of the upper crust in Iraq. Not now, not tommorow, not ever. I don't have to understand the mentality that allows raping women in the street, torturing children, mass murder of you're own people for god's sake. I don't want to even begin to try to think about such madness. This was before the war. They put their own people in PAPER shredders!
Look at the taliban. They would MURDER a woman for showing a ankle. A FREAKING ANKLE! And you dare me to try to understand that culture, religion, way of life? I just seen three day's ago on discovery live them dancing in the street! women with no shawl and men clean shaven. I seen building, American, British, and Afghani's rebuilding a lifetime robbed from them by the Taliban. If we listened to idealists like you the people would still be getting beat, raped, and FORCED to follow some radical stone age version of Islam.
The courage and dedication? Man you are so lost in space. Anyone can grab a child of some parent and force them to fight. Anyone can hang a woman from a fence and dare the next person to stand up. That don't take courage. That takes NO value in you're own people. That takes a sickness I would rather die before I began to see into that type of mind. They are willing to die in the proccess? Give me a break! If they don't fight they will die anyway by their own government.
Why don't you get in reality. Defense of a country? WRONG,
They are defending their Government. They are defending a lifestyle that has them in power over all. The only people willing to fight are people who have been butchering people for a decade.
I REALLY hope you are around when this is over. When the stories flood out and pictures of people talking the truth. When no threat is there to hold them back. When no stone age freak can keep them silent by hanging his mother up. I almost wish they would take people with you're mindset after the war and have you say the same thing in front of the then free people. I wish to see that response. I have listened to exile after exile talk about how Sadam has to be removed and force is the only way. I don't need people who have never once felt threatned telling me what people who scared about thrown in a paper shredder are fighting for.
In no way despite culture, religion, can anyone ever say this radical Islam is right. In no way can anyone say treating women like trash and everything else is "ok"[/QB]
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I don't seem to recall defending anyone...particularly the select few uppercrust in Iraq. I'm not discussing the attrocities commited by Saddam, or his chosen few, and not once did I bring the Taliban into this. Neither Saddam nor the Taliban represent Islam in any way shape or form, they are nothing more than fascists. These people may be forced to follow Saddam, but doesn't mean they cannot defend their Islamic culture.
By liberating the Iraqi people, does this give them freedom? Freedom to do as they wish or freedom to do as they wish as long as they conform to the western way of life?
You oppose me because I stood out and said that is is wrong to degrade the Iraqis with verbally abusive language, the same people that the coalition are "liberating," the very same people that you, yourself are defending.
We both agree that Saddam's regime is cruel and merciless, yet you feel that it's okay to refer to the Iraqi's in a derogatory manner. Not every Iraqi soldier is fighting for Saddam, and I think very few are, but they are fighting to maintain their right to believe in Islam, something that, by your own words, would be taken from them in a westernised culture.
You seem to have missed the point of my first post, that it is not okay to be degrading to the Iraqis as a culture, or nation. Saddam does not represent the true Iraqi people and more than Hitler represented the true German people.
I am neither an optimist nor a realist and have faced very real threats to my own life on more than one occasion, but I still see no reason for the abusive nature of certain comments.
Perhaps you need to think about just what you are debating with me, since it's not very clear to me. From my perspective you are defending your right to treat the Iraqi's with disrespect.