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Originally posted by Animal:
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Originally posted by Mordenheim:
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They are forced to fight. In fact told family members will be killed if they do not. People who refuse are shot. People are try to run are shot. A woman waving down soldiers was hung. As many that could escape away as quit before the fight even started.
Yes, they are fighting for their homeland.
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Man can't wait to hear the stories from the Iraqi's forced to fight. Heck they are already coming out. The only people fighting are the thug's who have everything to lose and the people forced to.
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So people forced to fight should be subject to abusive comments?
Just because we don't understand their way of life and the way they think, obviously we are right and they are wrong? Our way of life is correct and theirs is not?
Do we even attempt to understand them or even care or are we so caught up in our own righteousnes and self worth that the defense of your home is suddenly a crime.
Many do not agree with Saddam, but take enough pride in their way of life, culture, religion and beliefs to stand by those same values even if it means dying in the process, because that is all they have. It would seem that some find this funny. Perhaps if we, as citizens of the west, demonstrated the kind of courage and dedication to our beliefs that the Iraqis do, we'd be much better off.
A man isn't much of a man if he can't stand up for his beliefs and principles.[/QUOTE]You are such a idealist but SO wrong.
In no way can you or anyone else EVER defend what is going on by a select few of the upper crust in Iraq. Not now, not tommorow, not ever. I don't have to understand the mentality that allows raping women in the street, torturing children, mass murder of you're own people for god's sake. I don't want to even begin to try to think about such madness. This was before the war. They put their own people in PAPER shredders!
Look at the taliban. They would MURDER a woman for showing a ankle. A FREAKING ANKLE! And you dare me to try to understand that culture, religion, way of life? I just seen three day's ago on discovery live them dancing in the street! women with no shawl and men clean shaven. I seen building, American, British, and Afghani's rebuilding a lifetime robbed from them by the Taliban. If we listened to idealists like you the people would still be getting beat, raped, and FORCED to follow some radical stone age version of Islam.
The courage and dedication? Man you are so lost in space. Anyone can grab a child of some parent and force them to fight. Anyone can hang a woman from a fence and dare the next person to stand up. That don't take courage. That takes NO value in you're own people. That takes a sickness I would rather die before I began to see into that type of mind. They are willing to die in the proccess? Give me a break! If they don't fight they will die anyway by their own government.
Why don't you get in reality. Defense of a country? WRONG,
They are defending their Government. They are defending a lifestyle that has them in power over all. The only people willing to fight are people who have been butchering people for a decade.
I REALLY hope you are around when this is over. When the stories flood out and pictures of people talking the truth. When no threat is there to hold them back. When no stone age freak can keep them silent by hanging his mother up. I almost wish they would take people with you're mindset after the war and have you say the same thing in front of the then free people. I wish to see that response. I have listened to exile after exile talk about how Sadam has to be removed and force is the only way. I don't need people who have never once felt threatned telling me what people who scared about thrown in a paper shredder are fighting for.
In no way despite culture, religion, can anyone ever say this radical Islam is right. In no way can anyone say treating women like trash and everything else is "ok"