[Ronn_Bman]

Originally posted by Masklinn: Don't compare with the first Gulf War, there was a UN approval on this one. It was actually voted and approved as "the right thing to do". They were so many countries volunteering that incentives were not invovled. And, back then, we didn't need to add Eritrea or Azerbaïdjan to that list to make it look bigger. It doesn't compare, because this is still that same Gulf War. The conditional ceasefire has been lifted after giving Iraq 12 years to comply. The conditions were not met and the ceasefire has been lifted. I find it interesting that you discredit Eritrea or Azerbajan or any nation. Are you saying they aren't important? Are you saying they don't count? Should they even be in the UN? Are you saying they are less important than European nations? Yes, I know what you're saying with your statement, but it seems a bit haughty and arrogant. It seems to me that they aren't important to you because of who they are. This argument doesn't help your position. It makes you seem discriminatory against any who oppose your view. Either all nations have an equal voice or they don't? Yes the P5 of the SC are the only one's with VETOs, but if they are the only ones that matter, then why bother with the UN at all. Now look at the list of countries of the "coallition", look for yourself, I m not lying to you. And while you look, ask yourself why so few of them really helped by sending troops and why 1/3 of them want to remain anonymous. I've seen the list, and I'll ask again if really you think they really should NOT count. Either they count or they don't. You like to talk about the political pressure exerted by the US for nations to join, so I'll tell you the political pressure exerted by those in the anti-war movement is certainly a factor. Especially in Eastern Europe amongst prospective members of the EU. What's the difference? Other than the fact that you think you are right and I am wrong? Yes, Bush failed. Maybe so, but not as badly as Chirac, and Bush was quite a bit more diplomatic throughout the process. [img]tongue.gif[/img] (EDIT - In case that didn't seem humorous, I meant it to be so, and not to be insulting.) Bush had a job to do, and he's doing it. I support him, as do 70% of Americans. Blair now has a majority in support of his actions according to the latest figures, and we'll see support continue to increase because despite what many have said, and despite their actions to block disarming Iraq, Iraq needed to be disarmed and now finally will be disarmed. You think Chirac's position is correct because you agree with it, and I think Bush's position is correct because I agree with it, and if we break it all down to the basics, you think you're right and that you can prove it, and I think I'm right and that I can prove it, so we go round and round.

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[ 03-26-2003, 02:26 PM: Message edited by: Ronn_Bman ]