[Davros]

Nope Jim - respectfully do not agree. By that argument, we should just as validly run around saying "America would be speaking Japanese today if they hadn't finally stirred from the slumber". Both points (previous German and this)are equally valid, but I don't see the other side pushing anyones nose in that one. The quotes that I have seen littered about have nothing to do with a discussion on world war II - they are a misrepresentation of a belief that "old Europe" must go along with the US position because they are in a moral debt to the US for WWII. I would hope that last statement is not your view as well, but if so then we will agree to disagree, because I think that view is a vastly insular take on the situation.

Don't get me wrong - I am all for unified action against Saddam. I was hoping to see a better effort on the proofs put forward, and was disappointed with what was. My country has pledged support to GDubbya and I am 100% behind that. In the main, the people were too, but the general mood in a country that supports you is "that case looked pretty flimsy - is that the best that the US with all its resources to pull from could pull together". Opinion polls on support have FALLEN sharply since Colins address. The message was not widely believed in my country.

As for MagiK's "apology" - I don't feel any need to make one because I have believed from the start that confronting Saddam is a good idea. For others however, to link such a demand to such a poorly received (if OZ is anything to go by) presentation seems somewhat over-proud to me. That show of Colin's has not got the world wide credibility that Magik or yourself believe it had, or that I wish it had.