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Originally posted by Dramnek_Ulk:
Well I'm afraid to say that you are all quite wrong 
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Maybe once war could not be avoided due to primitive social structure (like in the middle ages) but for example the 2nd world war could have easily been avoided by less moral cowardice among the leaders of Europe. But in our modern age of nuclear weapons it is not longer necessary to go to war, just putting a bit more effort into the good ol' diplomacy and thinking of others opinions should do the trick, and other things like economic sanctions and loan withdrawal should work.
Anyway if we look at human history it has been marked by progressive liberalising, I daresay that the British would have left America eventually and if Hitler had one ww2 I expect we would have ended up with the same sort of society we have today, as economic forces leading to social and political change drive history ever forward.
Violence always provokes more violence, and that leads to endless violence though human history, always has, always will. You cannot stop violence with violence.
Your first point has been proven completely untrue by history because sanctions do not always (read as never) work.
World War II "easily avoided"? Not if you look at the reality. I won't even accept that it could have been avoided with great difficulty.
You certainly make alot of grandiose assumptions about history that you cannot possible prove and that, quite frankly, defy logic because the ideas have no basis in any kind of fact.
You've made your decisions about how history
could have been different after reading books saying "this and that", but you didn't live the experience. Neither did I, but I respect the experiences and decisions of those who did.
I don't completely doubt that Marxist ideas could work. I honestly don't, but comparing that theory, as if its a true alternative, to reality just doesn't work on any level. You don't do your ideas any justice. Hate capitalism because you hate capitalism, and love Marxism because you love Marxism, but don't try to use one to justify the other.
In theory, Santa Claus has a much better mode of transportation than any of the advanced nations of the world...