[Barry the Sprout]

We've done it again! We have entered a discussion about America - it is not about America exclusively.

And guys, it was you who said that human nature was greedy. I agreed with you under capitalism, and then you started arguing with me! I can't win here! What I would say is that the examples given show how human nature is not truly greedy. This supports my argument not yours IMO. Human nature is to care for other people in all ways - but capitalism twists it into this strange kind of contortion we have now. Humans are not intended to be greedy, that is where my beleif in Christianity comes into my argument I am afraid. We have made ourselves into this greedy bastard society, but every now and then something happens that causes us to show our true nature. This was what I meant earlier when I said that communism would work. Sorry if I didn't explain it properly.

Also Yorick, Marxism is one of the few things I know inside out. I am sorry to tell you that (in your own words [img]tongue.gif[/img] ) you don't know what you are talking about j/k. The practical definition of socialism under classical marxist terms is the transitionary stage before communism is reached. Sorry but that is true, not just my opinion. Dramnek, you know marxism... help me out here!

Also Magness thank you for finally giving your reasons. They are good reasons I will admit. But can I just say that is Stalin or Mao are considered good communists then I don't want the word associated with me. A state that works for the good of the whole does not need to kill people, so they are wrong. I am just as opposed to stalinism and Maoism as you I am afraid.

Thanks Khan BTW! Sentiment appreciated.