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Originally posted by Barry the Sprout:
Yorick, thanks for remaining calm. But if you could hold on for a bit longer because I just have this to say:
I agree with Dramnek about that point - western actions were the cause of the attack.
Then you agree the rape victim is at fault, and know nothing about Wahabist Islam. Know thine enemy. You have continually made the mistake of assuming western rationale from this very different cultural mindset Barry.
I'm sorry but you do not know what you are talking about.
Western actions can be the cause of hatred, anger and vehemence, but nothing a victim does forces the hand of the perpetrator.
I cannot see how you fail to see this logic.
You proclaim it from the reverse, citing the west to be a demon for attacking Al Qa'eda - giving the west ownership of it's actions - yet fail to accord the same judgement on Al Qa'eda.
You cannot have it both ways Barry, which is it? Has Al Qa'eda brought this destruction on themselves? How far do you take back blame?
Blame is at once individual and universal.
If you get to the origin of the problem, had Mohammad sated himself with conquering Mecca and Medina, instead of north Africa and the middle east, none of this would have occured.
Or you could say had Abraham trusted God and not taken matters into his own hands, he would not have birthed a son who would have eternal enimnity with his younger brother. The Jew and the Arab echo Isaac and Ishmael.
Alternately you could say that no matter the cause, the current choice, and the current action are yours alone. No-one forces you to do anything. Even with an ultimatum and gun to your head, you choose to live and obey, rather than refuse and die.
Own your choices and actions.
No-one forced Mohammad Atta to fly a plane filled with people into a building normally filled with 50,000 people.