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Old 11-29-2001, 07:21 AM   #2
Memnoch
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Join Date: February 28, 2001
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quote:
Originally posted by Silver Cheetah:

Delete passion. Delete feeling. Delete anger. Delete personality. Delete honesty. Delete integrity.



I don't remember saying any of these in my post? I said:

"Guys, in future please refrain from using sarcasm or other forms of emotional language when discussing/debating an issue. Sarcasm can sometimes make one person look good at another's expense (even if this was not the intention). This is where seeds of resentment starts, and the other person feels they've lost face and need to "get one back". "

Don't come to the wrong conclusion. You mean to tell me you cannot post with passion, feeling, anger (as long as it is not directed at others), personality, honesty, integrity - without being sarcastic? If so, why are people like Ronn_Bman and Ryanamur able to do it, from opposing sides of the fence, and still not offend anyone by virtue of the language they use to make a point. They MAKE points, not SCORE points.

quote:

'I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it' - as long as you do it in a way that will offend no-one, and preferably somewhere else... Is that it?



You have misquoted me. My quote (taken from Voltaire) was:

I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. This is the cornerstone around which the concept of freedom of speech is built, as long as it is done with respect for others.

The last sentence is the most important one there.

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As to Memnoch's comment about slapping down Yorick on the forum - why not, Memnoch? Anti-war people get slapped down, why not pro-war? YES, it does look like a double standard from where I'm sitting. And if you want to ban or suspend me for that comment, go right on ahead.

As Naked Wild Man says, what's the point if every comment must be watered down to make the whole completely inoffensive? Personally, I find the bombing of Aghani civilians pretty damn offensive. I found the bombing of the World Trade Centre offensive. I find the tactics of transnational corporations offensive.

And I intend to continue saying so, in a voice that is authentically *MY OWN* rather than one that is imposed upon me. If I cannot post here on those terms, then so be it.



You're entitled to all those opinions. Nobody is taking away your right to hold them. But you will say them with respect to others. This entire situation was precipitated by the way that you responded to a point that someone else made in the Aid thread. Surely that person was entitled to his comments too?

We ask for very little from you guys. Respect other posters. They have the same right to express an opinion as you. It is our responsibility to ensure that they are in a position to express their opinion, without taking sides or feeling like they are going to have their heads bitten off. Compared to other forums on the web you will find us very reasonable and understanding. But all this subtle jabbing and verbal pointscoring at others' expense is not acceptable here.

You are entitled to your opinions, but the rules are clear. [img]smile.gif[/img]
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