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Fljotsdale · 11-30-2001, 08:25 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Yorick:

Can this not be an inditement on your country rather than the faith? Places and people are different. Most bible students I know, know a great deal...

....about logos AND rhema The written and spoken word that must be read and heard in harmony.

It's like watching a movie without sound. (or the other way round if one ignores logos) Nice pictures, but you only get half the story.

Darn! Blasted thing only picked up part of what you wrote.... I think. I'll check in a minute.....

Anyway.... yes, of course it is the country, to a certain extent. More specifically, the education system and the fact that people have stayed away from church in droves since WW2. It wouldn't matter so much if we had still taught our children to have the standards religion preached...... honesty, integrity, sexual morality, respect for fellow humans.... etc.
But also, partly the religion IS to blame.... not the 'the faith' but the churches/priests/pastors/popes/archbishops etc, because it was becoming increasingly clear to people that they themselves did not live according to what they taught. I was brought up as a RC and my ignorance of the bible was stunning, though my knowledge of church 'fairy tales' was vast! I also observed the hypocrisy of nuns and priests at first hand. I was not alone in that. After WW2, people were less inclined to overlook such things, and more inclined to use their own judgement. No bad thing either! But they chucked out the baby with the bathwater, imo.

Here is the other bit of your post[b]:

quote:
Originally posted by Yorick:

In this case it's the mockers who have no knowledge of what Jesus "taught". He only taught 11 or so tenets. What he did is why people follow him. Perfection is unattainable. A Christian is forgiven, not perfect.

I thought that was what I said! About the mockers having no knowledge, I mean.
No, no-one is perfect. The christian is just supposed to try harder! When Jesus rebuked his disciples it was clear he expected them to alter the behaviour he rebuked them for. Yes, he forgave may falls on their part, but anyone who has read the whole of the NT, as I know you have, will see that eventually they DID learn to behave in a way acceptable to Jesus.
I always remember what he said to the woman taken in adultery as well.... 'Go your way and sin no more.' A person cannot claim to be christian if they continually commit 'sin' in the expectation that they will be forgiven. For example, in Revelation Jesus shows that liars and adulterers and fornicators will end up in 'the lake of fire'. Yet many who claim to be christian, including clergymen, continually practice those things. It makes me wonder if they truly believe the bible teaching on these things?

11-30-2001, 08:25 AM	#27
Fljotsdale Thoth - Egyptian God of Wisdom Join Date: March 12, 2001 Location: Birmingham, West Mid\'s, England Age: 88 Posts: 2,859	quote: Originally posted by Yorick: Can this not be an inditement on your country rather than the faith? Places and people are different. Most bible students I know, know a great deal... ....about logos AND rhema The written and spoken word that must be read and heard in harmony. It's like watching a movie without sound. (or the other way round if one ignores logos) Nice pictures, but you only get half the story. Darn! Blasted thing only picked up part of what you wrote.... I think. I'll check in a minute..... Anyway.... yes, of course it is the country, to a certain extent. More specifically, the education system and the fact that people have stayed away from church in droves since WW2. It wouldn't matter so much if we had still taught our children to have the standards religion preached...... honesty, integrity, sexual morality, respect for fellow humans.... etc. But also, partly the religion IS to blame.... not the 'the faith' but the churches/priests/pastors/popes/archbishops etc, because it was becoming increasingly clear to people that they themselves did not live according to what they taught. I was brought up as a RC and my ignorance of the bible was stunning, though my knowledge of church 'fairy tales' was vast! I also observed the hypocrisy of nuns and priests at first hand. I was not alone in that. After WW2, people were less inclined to overlook such things, and more inclined to use their own judgement. No bad thing either! But they chucked out the baby with the bathwater, imo. Here is the other bit of your post[b]: quote: Originally posted by Yorick: In this case it's the mockers who have no knowledge of what Jesus "taught". He only taught 11 or so tenets. What he did is why people follow him. Perfection is unattainable. A Christian is forgiven, not perfect. I thought that was what I said! About the mockers having no knowledge, I mean. No, no-one is perfect. The christian is just supposed to try harder! When Jesus rebuked his disciples it was clear he expected them to alter the behaviour he rebuked them for. Yes, he forgave may falls on their part, but anyone who has read the whole of the NT, as I know you have, will see that eventually they DID learn to behave in a way acceptable to Jesus. I always remember what he said to the woman taken in adultery as well.... 'Go your way and sin no more.' A person cannot claim to be christian if they continually commit 'sin' in the expectation that they will be forgiven. For example, in Revelation Jesus shows that liars and adulterers and fornicators will end up in 'the lake of fire'. Yet many who claim to be christian, including clergymen, continually practice those things. It makes me wonder if they truly believe the bible teaching on these things? __________________ I\'m your imaginary friend.