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Old 11-28-2001, 06:48 AM   #142
Barry the Sprout
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Join Date: October 19, 2001
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Age: 42
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Originally posted by Ronn_Bman:


I'm not really sure what you meant by being bothered by my attacking what you don't believe in?!?!

Communism as an idea is fine, but it has never been successfully used! The Soviets proved that. The Chinese are still proving it. You don't think there are haves and have nots in China? There wasn't an elite ruling class in Russia? I bet the average citizen in either of those regimes would give you an earful about communism, if they didn't fear for their life. An idea that hasn't been successfully proven is a theory. Capitalism and Democracy work!

You might not think it's in American's best interest, but as an American I do think the bombing in Afghanistan is in my best interest! I personally believe that! The Bay of Pigs? Well, if you want to go back 40 years we can, but I personally believe the overthrow of Castro was a good idea. It was less than three years after the Bay of Pigs we found Nuclear weapons in Cuba which brought the world the closest it's ever been to nuclear war. Plenty of reason there as proved by history not big business.



I really don't want an argument about Communism with you Ronn. I merely put it in to illustrate my point - I am not anti American. For one thing that argument is not one I like conducting through a type face and it probably doesn't belong in this forum either. If you do want to continue it then PM or e-mail would probably be better, just say the word. I agree that it is an unproven theory, but lots of stuff points to how it might work eventually (not for a long time, definately not in my lifetime, and I am only 19 and non suicidal to boot). Just a few points though - when you say Capitalism works what you really mean is that Capitalism works for the few. A child dies in poverty every two seconds. Does it work for them? The system is stable at present but I don't think it can last for ever personally.

As we have already discussed I think that even from the point of view of Americans this war is a bad idea. I know you don't agree but once again I was really using it to explain what I meant. I think that we will only know for certain whether or not this was for the best in a long time. Lets just wait and see on that score.

Also some might say that the Cuban missile crisis was only caused by the Bay of Pigs and US hostility as Castro wanted to show he couldn't be pushed around. Once again that is my take on things and illustrates what I think.

The point of the post was to iron out some of the misconceptions that some people have about where I am coming from. That is what I meant by "being attacked for something I don't beleive in". I have been labelled an anti American time and again and I find it a little unfair. So I wanted to set the recored straight.
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