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Fljotsdale · 11-15-2001, 10:53 AM

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Originally posted by Yorick:

Exactly. Imagination without the limits of ability. Should art only be praticed by the gifted? Or can giftings be in the way someone communicates an idea or a reflection of life.

I like "bricks" myself. "Unmade bed" doesn't do much for me, but I recognise it's message.

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You think ability is limiting? [img]graemlins/crazyeyes.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/1dizzy.gif[/img] LACK of ability is limiting! If you had said 'training' then I would agree in part - formal art training CAN limit ability and imagination if not done well. But it can also help the artist to learn to use the tools of his/her trade effectively.
Knowing how to handle your tools frees you to relax and experiment. Learning the same stuff on your own takes ages and you may not find out stuff that would be really helpful. Are you a self-taught musician or did you have training? And is your teaching limiting the ability of your students? Or giving them, at least, food for thought?

And of course art should NOT only be practiced by the gifted! And not all art, as you said previously, needs to be be beautiful - nor does it need to be long-lasting. Much ephemeral art brings great pleasure to people, myself included. Artistic ability, be it great or small, is a possesion of all of us, if we care to attempt it and put in some effort, and it does not have to be conventional (OR unconventional!) to capture the interest and make a point.
Many people with only small ability produce art that gives them great pleasure - but I would not dream of putting my own efforts on public display, lol!

And, as I said, nothing will convice me that an unmade bed, a pile of bricks, and a light flicking on/off in an empty room, are actually art.
A painting or photograph of the bed or the bricks, lit for effect, could be art - and good art - so I suppose it could be said that the real thing is art as well. But it isn't in these cases. No skill involved. No artistic ability. Just a talent as con-artists! In my jaundiced opinion, anyway!

11-15-2001, 10:53 AM	#37
Fljotsdale Thoth - Egyptian God of Wisdom Join Date: March 12, 2001 Location: Birmingham, West Mid\'s, England Age: 88 Posts: 2,859	quote: Originally posted by Yorick: Exactly. Imagination without the limits of ability. Should art only be praticed by the gifted? Or can giftings be in the way someone communicates an idea or a reflection of life. I like "bricks" myself. "Unmade bed" doesn't do much for me, but I recognise it's message. [img]smile.gif[/img] You think ability is limiting? [img]graemlins/crazyeyes.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/1dizzy.gif[/img] LACK of ability is limiting! If you had said 'training' then I would agree in part - formal art training CAN limit ability and imagination if not done well. But it can also help the artist to learn to use the tools of his/her trade effectively. Knowing how to handle your tools frees you to relax and experiment. Learning the same stuff on your own takes ages and you may not find out stuff that would be really helpful. Are you a self-taught musician or did you have training? And is your teaching limiting the ability of your students? Or giving them, at least, food for thought? And of course art should NOT only be practiced by the gifted! And not all art, as you said previously, needs to be be beautiful - nor does it need to be long-lasting. Much ephemeral art brings great pleasure to people, myself included. Artistic ability, be it great or small, is a possesion of all of us, if we care to attempt it and put in some effort, and it does not have to be conventional (OR unconventional!) to capture the interest and make a point. Many people with only small ability produce art that gives them great pleasure - but I would not dream of putting my own efforts on public display, lol! And, as I said, nothing will convice me that an unmade bed, a pile of bricks, and a light flicking on/off in an empty room, are actually art. A painting or photograph of the bed or the bricks, lit for effect, could be art - and good art - so I suppose it could be said that the real thing is art as well. But it isn't in these cases. No skill involved. No artistic ability. Just a talent as con-artists! In my jaundiced opinion, anyway! __________________ I\'m your imaginary friend.