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Fljotsdale · 11-04-2001, 09:27 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Ronn_Bman:

Fljotsdale you flatterer! [img]redface.gif[/img]

Actually on the "wholehearted" issue you're partly right. I find it hard to ignore the loss of innocent life, and the idea of Afghan children playing with bright yellow, unexploded cluster bombs is particularly chilling, but I was in favor of military action from the beginning.

Terrorism in the past few decades has progressed from small isolated incidents by individuals, to well orchestrated networks that can achieve military style results anywhere in the world. The escalation must be stopped now. I've posted it before and believe strongly that once terrorist get and detonate a nuclear device, it will be too late. Things will go bad very quickly without concern for innocents on all sides. I know it sounds like a doomsday scenario, but what happened on September 11th, would have been thought impossible by many 3 months ago.

I have thought for years, since the bombing of the US Marine Barricks in Beirut, that those countries that allow terrorist to operate within their borders should be "encouraged" to stop by more than economic pressure. I was amazed when Bush proposed action against nations that "harbor, support, and feed" the terrorists. I honestly think it's a good idea, whether or not it will work is another matter.

My main concern is that this will not be followed through on. The US and UN always seem to quit before completing a job. Stopping at a certain latitude or longitude, or creating "no-fly" zones won't accomplish this goal. If civilians are affected so drastically, it seems only fair that afterwards their country be given back to them and not left in the hands of those who initiated the hostilities to begin with. That to me would be infuriating

The Western Civilization has become so "civilized" it's forgotten what real warfare is, that it is death and destruction and not smart bombs from hundreds of miles away that only injure combatants. I'm not claiming to know personally, and I know you actually lived through the Second World War, so I don't presume to know more than you. [img]smile.gif[/img]

I do know that to win a war, you must fight a war. The term "police action" is popular, but in all of the police actions of the last 56 years, many have died with little achievement of the desired result.

This is why I say, it must be done correctly and completely.

[ 11-04-2001: Message edited by: Ronn_Bman ]

Flattery?! You ain't seen nothin' yet, lol!!

Anyway, I can see where you are coming from, Ronn_Bman, and I wish I thought it would work. But it won't. I'm positive of that. One solution is for people to get round a table and talk. I very much doubt they will do that either.

The best way, I have come to think over the last few days, is for the Islamic nations themselves to deal with bin Laden and the Taliban and the al-Qaida and other so-called Islamic terrorists. I think we should encourage them to do so, by whatever methods we can..... but I doubt that will happen either.
I guess I am just very pessimistic about this war. I think it is going to escalate and get away from us... I just hope fear of that will keep heads cooler than they might be.

[ 11-04-2001: Message edited by: Fljotsdale ]

11-04-2001, 09:27 PM	#42
Fljotsdale Thoth - Egyptian God of Wisdom Join Date: March 12, 2001 Location: Birmingham, West Mid\'s, England Age: 88 Posts: 2,859	quote: Originally posted by Ronn_Bman: Fljotsdale you flatterer! [img]redface.gif[/img] Actually on the "wholehearted" issue you're partly right. I find it hard to ignore the loss of innocent life, and the idea of Afghan children playing with bright yellow, unexploded cluster bombs is particularly chilling, but I was in favor of military action from the beginning. Terrorism in the past few decades has progressed from small isolated incidents by individuals, to well orchestrated networks that can achieve military style results anywhere in the world. The escalation must be stopped now. I've posted it before and believe strongly that once terrorist get and detonate a nuclear device, it will be too late. Things will go bad very quickly without concern for innocents on all sides. I know it sounds like a doomsday scenario, but what happened on September 11th, would have been thought impossible by many 3 months ago. I have thought for years, since the bombing of the US Marine Barricks in Beirut, that those countries that allow terrorist to operate within their borders should be "encouraged" to stop by more than economic pressure. I was amazed when Bush proposed action against nations that "harbor, support, and feed" the terrorists. I honestly think it's a good idea, whether or not it will work is another matter. My main concern is that this will not be followed through on. The US and UN always seem to quit before completing a job. Stopping at a certain latitude or longitude, or creating "no-fly" zones won't accomplish this goal. If civilians are affected so drastically, it seems only fair that afterwards their country be given back to them and not left in the hands of those who initiated the hostilities to begin with. That to me would be infuriating The Western Civilization has become so "civilized" it's forgotten what real warfare is, that it is death and destruction and not smart bombs from hundreds of miles away that only injure combatants. I'm not claiming to know personally, and I know you actually lived through the Second World War, so I don't presume to know more than you. [img]smile.gif[/img] I do know that to win a war, you must fight a war. The term "police action" is popular, but in all of the police actions of the last 56 years, many have died with little achievement of the desired result. This is why I say, it must be done correctly and completely. [ 11-04-2001: Message edited by: Ronn_Bman ] Flattery?! You ain't seen nothin' yet, lol!! Anyway, I can see where you are coming from, Ronn_Bman, and I wish I thought it would work. But it won't. I'm positive of that. One solution is for people to get round a table and talk. I very much doubt they will do that either. The best way, I have come to think over the last few days, is for the Islamic nations themselves to deal with bin Laden and the Taliban and the al-Qaida and other so-called Islamic terrorists. I think we should encourage them to do so, by whatever methods we can..... but I doubt that will happen either. I guess I am just very pessimistic about this war. I think it is going to escalate and get away from us... I just hope fear of that will keep heads cooler than they might be. [ 11-04-2001: Message edited by: Fljotsdale ] __________________ I\'m your imaginary friend.