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Originally posted by Chewbacca:
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Originally posted by Azred:
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Originally posted by Chewbacca:
Pointing out Saddam's Husseins' documented and alleged wickedness does not cover the failures of Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Bremmer, and the rest of the gang, nor excuse them one little bit.
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What failures? Unless I am completely mistaken, the Iraqis held elections last Sunday, which is a damn sight better than many others were able to bring about over the last couple of decades. They have done nothing immoral or illegal; thus, they need no explanation or excusing for their actions.
[/QUOTE]Perhaps you are mistaken, or Bush and Co has blown enough sunshine your way that you missed the obvious and widely reported.
Let's start with the recent failure to get the signifcant minority of the Sunni's to participate in the elections. The elections were a crock and failed to represent the whole of Iraq. Casting the Sunni's aside is only going to strenghten and prolong the insurgency which will then become a civil war when, or rather if, U.S. forces ever leave.
Anyway...The list of failures is long. Ranging from disbanding the Iraqi military soon after the invasion stage to failing to have enough troops on the ground during the initial occupation stage to stop widepspread crime and looting.
To speak in general terms of what is illegal and immoral. According to international law, invading Iraq in the first was both illegal and waging offensive war is usually considered immoral. I think causing thousands of deaths is immoral. Iraq is more dangerous now, than when Saddam the terrible ruled. I think creating those conditions is immoral. [/QUOTE]1) I doubt the same would have been said if the Former rulers(the white minority) of South Africa, had failed to vote in signifcant numbers in that countries first free elections. In fact I'll go so far as to say that "if insignifcant numbers of whites had voted in SA's first free elections many would be hootting and hol'aring with joy". In the same vein was the US elections of 1864 invalid because there were not signifcant southern voters? The Sunni's chose not to vote, elections are not decided by who does not participate, but by those that do participate.
2) The Iraqi military was disbanded because the country was starting fresh, the slate had to be wiped clean, no hold overs. When you start anew, you must start anew. The number of troops is an opinion, the people incharge of the operation believe the number is what was needed. There is no number of troops that would have stoped the insurgency completely.
3)Each of us must decide for ourselves what they beleive is moral and immoral.