[Yorick]

Originally posted by Cerek: I will try once again to explain that I am talking about ATTITUDE when I use the term "elitist", NOT WEALTH!!! And the article from the NY Times interviewed everyday working New Yorkers...and every one quoted said FLAT OUT that THEY were smarter, wiser, more "street savvy" and "globally aware" than Red America. In other words, THEY WERE BETTER THAN RED AMERICA. That is an "elitist attitude" and it doesn't have Happy Jack **** to do with how much money any of them make or have. It is their attitude that I am talking about.

Which is tied to wealth. The everyday working class immigrant or black/hispanic family from Brooklyn, Bronx or whatever doesn't have the "eleitist" attitude you have described. It's tied to wealth, education and career.

And the real irony is that you are perpetuating that very same attitude and don't even realize it. You have implied that I didn't realize Bush and Cheney were multi-millionaires and have told me point blank that I was "hoodwinked" twice now. In other words, I wasn't "smart enough" to see through George Bush's act.

As was said, intelligence is not the issue. Either in the hoodwinkee or hoodwinker.

Well guess what, Yorick, I DID see through George Bush and his act. The only difference is that I also saw through Kerry and HIS act too (BTW, Kerry graduated from Yale just like George Bush and even belonged to the same "elite" club as Georgie Boy - but of course, you knew that already). And at the end of the day, I felt more comfortable that George Bush represented MY interests and MY VALUES better than John Kerry did.

I hope your interests included an 800 billion dollar deficit, because that's what you're now getting.

And - amazing as it may sound - I actually managed to figure that out all by my little old self. If you were around BEFORE the election, then you surely saw some of my posts where I said I was very undecided as to who I was going to support, because I had pros and cons regarding both candidates. But when everything was said and done, I decided that Bush represented what I wanted in a President BETTER than Kerry did. The fact that you disagree with that choice is fine....but the fact that your disagreement makes you think I was "hoodwinked" is nothing short of arrogant, because it means you think that I just wasn't as "smart" or "savvy" as you were about George Bush - and that is the type of "elitist attitude" that I was talking about with Moore and his Blue America buddies.

I'm entitled to an opinion centred around a party claiming to stand for Christian beliefs, and yet acting in the exact opposite of Jesus example and teaching. Just because it is said, does not make it so.

It's mind boggling.

Where does Bush mention Jesus name? Where does he invoke the authority of the Holy Spirit? Where did he turn the other cheek in either debates or foreign policy? Where is he taking care of widows and the "have nots" - described in the Bible as actually being the only "correct religion". Where is he abolishing the death penalty as Jesus did? Telling people to put down their guns as Jesus told Peter to put down his sword?

I have never heard anything out of his mouth other than vague references to "God".

He may well be a Christian for all I know. He may believe with certainty he is doing Gods will. However, his message, his actions, his policy, his language choice is far, far from representing the entire Christian faith - YET somehow a Christian bloc supports him on this basis!!!???

And the Catholic Church even came out and said voting for Kerry would be a sin because of his abortion stance.

Do we really think Bush is going to force an end to abortion?? You know I am anti-abortion. However, until a vast majority of Americans come to the same conclusion, it's not going to happen. it doesn't matter what the values of the president are on the issue. He's running the country. Balancing the budget.

Oh yeah... the 455 billion dollar deficit.

The religious right is a myth in any case. As I said, black Christians do not vote Republican by default.

Just because something is said doesn't make it so.

The "gourmet cakes" you can buy at a New York deli are not gourmet just because it says so on the wrapper.

Really pisses me off.