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Originally posted by Cerek:
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Originally posted by John D Harris:
Cerek , there is a reason so much is put on "marriage", words mean things, words are the way we as humans communicate with each other. It's not a Ta-may-to, To-mah-to thing (a pronounciation problem). It's marriage, civil union thing ( a definition problem) two simular BUT differant things trying to be made into one thing.
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Yes, John, words DO have meaning. However, "marriage" and "civil union" are not "two similar - BUT different things - trying to be made into one. Rather, "civil union" is a term that was created because we conservatives couldn't stand the thought of two gay people being called "married". What about the couple that lives together for x-number of years but never "officially" get married. According to NC law (and I'm sure several others), after a certain number of years together, their partnership is considered a "common law marriage" and they actually gain the privileges and rights of married couples - even though they never signed a legal document. In the eyes of the state, they are still "married" after being together for a set number of years. Yet many of these couples would not appreciate being considered "married" themselves. I know more than one example where a man and woman have lived together for well over 10 years, but they balk at the suggestion that they are now "married".
[/QUOTE]Cerek, your explaination testifies against your position, it matters not if a man and a woman sign a piece of paper or not, in some soceities they jump over a broomstick, are broomstick jumpers any less married then non broomstick jumpers? NO! In the example you gave for the explaination you still used a man and a woman. Marriage is a man shall leave his mother and father and cleave to his wife, the two shall become one flesh, that is marriage. How soceity decides the two become one flesh is irrelavant, standing before family and friends with a preacher saying pretty words carries no more wieght then jumping over a broomstick, or breaking glasses. Weither somebody likes being called married or not, matters not, to if they are married or not, any more then liking to be called falling matters to somebody that steps off a cliff. They are falling weither they like being called that or not. Certain things/actions are set into motion, by other actions, liking being called one thing or another matters not once the actions are set into motion. Calling a cat a dog doesn't make the cat a dog, it makes the caller uniformed.