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Originally posted by Felix The Assassin:
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Originally posted by Night Stalker:
Well, there is no such thing in the Army as "Shooters" and "NonShooters" anymore, as there is no such thing as a "Front Line" in Iraq.
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Touche!
I'AM A SHOOTER, I train daily and or train others on a daily basis to: SHOOT, MOVE, and COMMUNICATE. I do not, and will NOT, allow a Clerk, Mechanic, or Trans Pogue, TO FALL INTO the catagory of HUNTER/KILLER/SHOOTER/COMBATANT! They, as their training prescribes, ARE REAR ECHELON NON-COMBATANT NON-SHOOTERS! I'm sorry, but that is the way it is! They qualify with weapons for self defense,and mission accomplishment, but LACK the training of taking the fight to the trenches! That is why they are ESCORTED in and out of the zone by SHOOTERS!
I have trained for 23 years, I have put training ammunition on target for 23 years. I have had the opportunity to close with and destroy the enemies of my country TWICE. I have only sent SERVICE ammunition down range TWICE. The people this article speak of, reek with the sentiment of "IT's TOO HARD"! Do not confuse the mentality of a shooter with that of a non-shooter!
Even thou my current post has me training the NG, they as I, see the difference between a Tank Company, and that of HHC! Or more importantly, that of the FSB! They, as with others, cannot see past the end of the muzzle for objective security, or mission accomplishment!
I have nothing against them, mind you, but they lack the intestinal fortitude to accomplish the mission! For without them,????? [/QUOTE]AT EASE, Trooper!
I am a COMMUNICATOR, my troops do everything imaginable to shape the battlefield, facilitate the fight, and make sure you CAN communicate while shootin an scootin! I won't disagree with you on the way CS and CSS troops
trained in the past, but the old doctrine of the linear battlefield does not apply anymore. (Check out the CALL site on AKO.) Massive training efforts are under way to bring the previously REMFs up to speed with the killers because the killers are not always available to escort. Yet the LOGPACs still need to through .... or the only rounds your crews'll send down range are HOOAH rounds!! [img]tongue.gif[/img] What I'm saying is the Logies are seeing as much action as the Squishies and Bucket Heads!
Not that we really want too, that's your job damnit! [img]tongue.gif[/img] We have barely enough time to keep proficient at our jobs let alone become adequit at yours! I'd very much love to have a Bradley PLT on permanent escort detail for my troops, but that ain't gonna happen.
Timber, my impression is the same as Felix's in this situation. I've dealt with NG soldiers alot more that he has. While good troops, some of them think they are Union workers! Rights this .... Deserve that ..... SAFETY! SAFETY HAZARD! When's my break time? Blah, blah.
While the facts will come out in the Article 32 procedings, I think at the end of the day, they were just unwilling to simply do their JOB.