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Lucern · 10-03-2004, 03:36 AM

So, the answer to Moore's flik (which I haven't seen, so no opinion), which was repeatedly assaulted with allegations of being loose with facts and the like (which started well before it was available for viewing), is to do what looks like the same? You could argue attacking the style with a similar style, and of course I haven't seen either to make a valid judgement.

Talking about Saddam and showing Taliban?
Moving from terror to tyranny? What?
Clinton/Kerry so wrong, Bush so right?
And is security all we're voting about?

Those images of torture make me tear up, particularly because I work with survivors of politically motivated torture. It still doesn't make me lose sight of the loose and strange assortment of images designed to make me buy into that description of a series of events and to make a seemingly obvious vote. This all has way too much missing subtext to be swallowed in this form for me.

Emotional ploys aside, "The temperature at which the brain begins to die" is absurd. Don't agree with us? Must be braindead, like some silly statements by angry protesters. From the preview, it looks more like they're saying "You don't have to think. Just make a flash value-judgement, listen to your emotions, and you'll know what's important." If that's the case, it fits the bill of plain ole propaganda in a relatively new format. Again, not only am I assuming meaning, but I haven't seen it, so here's your grain of salt. --> `

The last audio statement I'm more inclined to agree with than any of the other hazy-context images and sound bites, if laughter belies agreement. Are we supposed to be angry with those who protest? Think they're stupid if we don't agree? I hope I don't end up watching this filth to get an answer to the ambiguities.

Propaganda is more informative (about the people who made it) well after the need for the propaganda has passed. I can't wait to watch these two films in 20 years for a clearer perspective.

Finally (being the first American [maybe] to post here), even if this is a great, well researched documentary, if Americans see it as a copycat product, I don't think it'll sell as well as the 'original'.

10-03-2004, 03:36 AM	#3
Lucern Quintesson Join Date: August 28, 2004 Location: the middle of Michigan Age: 43 Posts: 1,011	So, the answer to Moore's flik (which I haven't seen, so no opinion), which was repeatedly assaulted with allegations of being loose with facts and the like (which started well before it was available for viewing), is to do what looks like the same? You could argue attacking the style with a similar style, and of course I haven't seen either to make a valid judgement. Talking about Saddam and showing Taliban? Moving from terror to tyranny? What? Clinton/Kerry so wrong, Bush so right? And is security all we're voting about? Those images of torture make me tear up, particularly because I work with survivors of politically motivated torture. It still doesn't make me lose sight of the loose and strange assortment of images designed to make me buy into that description of a series of events and to make a seemingly obvious vote. This all has way too much missing subtext to be swallowed in this form for me. Emotional ploys aside, "The temperature at which the brain begins to die" is absurd. Don't agree with us? Must be braindead, like some silly statements by angry protesters. From the preview, it looks more like they're saying "You don't have to think. Just make a flash value-judgement, listen to your emotions, and you'll know what's important." If that's the case, it fits the bill of plain ole propaganda in a relatively new format. Again, not only am I assuming meaning, but I haven't seen it, so here's your grain of salt. --> ` The last audio statement I'm more inclined to agree with than any of the other hazy-context images and sound bites, if laughter belies agreement. Are we supposed to be angry with those who protest? Think they're stupid if we don't agree? I hope I don't end up watching this filth to get an answer to the ambiguities. Propaganda is more informative (about the people who made it) well after the need for the propaganda has passed. I can't wait to watch these two films in 20 years for a clearer perspective. Finally (being the first American [maybe] to post here), even if this is a great, well researched documentary, if Americans see it as a copycat product, I don't think it'll sell as well as the 'original'.