[John D Harris]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: Well, I just can't let this go on. As I predicted, this thread went straight to the heart of religion. Since the fray has begun, I'm going to give you my two cents. quote: The creator, by nature is the one infinite eternal uncreated thing in the universe. The question "who created the creator" is irrelevent, because it is not believed that the creator I am speaking about HAS a beginning at all. Infinite as in: no beginning, no end, no limit physically, no restriction, beyond time, beyond limitation, beyond human comprehension.

Well, here's how I see it Yorick. I see no need to abstract and anthropomorphize the infinite that I cannot comprehend. Thus, to represent my view, I would edit your statement thusly:

The UNIVERSE, by nature is the one infinite eternal uncreated thing. The question "who created the UNIVERSE" is irrelevent, because it is not believed that the UNIVERSE HAS a beginning at all. Infinite as in: no beginning, no end, no limit physically, no restriction, beyond time, beyond limitation, beyond human comprehension.

Imposing some "creator" behind the veil only answers a question with a question. Why you can't look at the world around and see the infinite end-all-be-all is beyond me. Why you need some sentient creature watching over all moving the stings behind things I will never understand.

My 2 cents.

And this thread is totally about a banned topic. [/QUOTE]Well the rest of the supporters of it just happened testify agianst you, remember the 10^-43 sec after the event, the event being the forming of the Universe, a finite thing. You can not have 10^-43 sec after the event without there being an event call it big bang/creation/forming of the universe/call it "Bob" for all I care. The fact is it is a finite thing, definied by finite laws, it is not Infinite defined by finite laws that would make it finite not infinite.