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Old 09-03-2004, 02:50 PM   #59
Yorick
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Originally posted by Timber Loftis:
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The creator, by nature is the one infinite eternal uncreated thing in the universe. The question "who created the creator" is irrelevent, because it is not believed that the creator I am speaking about HAS a beginning at all. Infinite as in: no beginning, no end, no limit physically, no restriction, beyond time, beyond limitation, beyond human comprehension.
Well, here's how I see it Yorick. I see no need to abstract and anthropomorphize the infinite that I cannot comprehend. Thus, to represent my view, I would edit your statement thusly:

The UNIVERSE, by nature is the one infinite eternal uncreated thing. The question "who created the UNIVERSE" is irrelevent, because it is not believed that the UNIVERSE HAS a beginning at all. Infinite as in: no beginning, no end, no limit physically, no restriction, beyond time, beyond limitation, beyond human comprehension.

Imposing some "creator" behind the veil only answers a question with a question. Why you can't look at the world around and see the infinite end-all-be-all is beyond me. Why you need some sentient creature watching over all moving the stings behind things I will never understand.

[/QB][/QUOTE]Ah, but science has discovered a beginning to the known universe - hence it has a finite point of origin. Secondly it is expanding - so it has a finite limit as there is somewhere the universe is not. Expansion implies limit. The universe, though it may be expanding infinitely, is not infinite. It is finite.

As to "why I can't", who says I can't. I can and could. I have experienced an awareness identifying itself as the creator awareness though, and that has influenced what I believe. It's not a matter of being unable to do anything, but acting and making choices based on the experiences I have been given.

I do not believe we are alone.
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