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than answer this for me - who, where, how and why created the creator?
i have already shown you that as far as science is concerned, there is no place left for the creator to hide, except in setting the initial conditions at the moment of the creation (of the universe). any other creator, that would meddle in the affairs of particular objects inside the universe, would itself also have come into being as a consequence of the actions of natural laws. and we are again at the problem of how that intelligence came to be...
you go on and on about the necessity for proof and hard evidence, yet i fail to see any evidence from you that would point to the existence of a creator. if you believe some abstract elements to be vital for the formation of the universe or life, that is only your belief; it proves nothing and carries no scientific weight.
for science, there is no need for a divine component, no necessity for some hidden driving force behind natural phenomena.
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