[Yorick]

Originally posted by Nightwing: I think it is great! There is so much to be gained here.

Of course there is. That's not in question. But what is lost outweighs what is gained. Would you advocate the forced murder of you and your family, to gain a scientific breakthrough?

Dirty meg is right, it's an embryo not a human that is why they call it an embryo.

No she's wrong. We call it a human embryo, as distinct from any other embryo that will develop into any other being. Just as we call little humans, infants. It's not a PRECLUSIVE definition. It doesn't mean they're not human any more than an infant is not human because it has a clarifier attached to it. A human embryo develops into a human just like any other. Potential - given time and perfect health - is what defines us, not actuality. Thus mountain climbers and extreme sportsmen EXPAND THE DEFINITION of what "a human" can do, despite most humans never being able to do what they can. A human can climb a sheer mountain face unaided.

I've know a great deal of pro-life people in my days and I have never seen one of them stick around for the lives they destroy. They refuse to accept responsibility because as far as they are concerned they saved a life.

Then you need to get out more.
http://www.daybreakinc.org/ This group offer free accomodation for mothers who carry to full term, free counselling, will set up a mother in a family that help her raise the child. A close friend of mine who had two abortions said a huge factor in aborting, was she felt she had no-where to go, could not financially pay for accomodation. She would have been on the street with a child. DISEMPOWERMENT. This lack of choice kills more babies than anything else. WHERE IS SOCIETY that a woman feels she HAS TO prevent the most natural beautiful thing, the event that most humans end up describing as the most wonderful joyous day in their life??? Really big indicator that society has completely broken down.

You are correct that many "fathers" are the ones pushing for an abortion, refusing to take responsibility for no protection, or not keeping their willy in their pants. Nothing justifies taking the unborn childs life.

There is a lot more to life than being in an unborn state. There is so much information on the destructions of families and other lives due to uncared for children. I'm not saying use abortion for birth control but there are times it is the only option for the women. [/qb]

And that's what we should be changing. Check out the link to http://www.daybreakinc.org/ I was involved in an event for them a few months ago. They are saving the lives of children and mothers, and putting people back together.

[ 08-13-2004, 11:13 AM: Message edited by: Yorick ]