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Old 08-03-2004, 03:11 PM   #56
Timber Loftis
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Join Date: July 11, 2002
Location: Chicago, IL
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Of course the government pollutes more than anyone. Well... almost. Even where it's not the government polluting, it's government contractors polluting -- which is a result of the government's procurement.

Anyway, there is no doubt the government pollutes the most. It is the largest corporate conglomerate in the world. It is the top 5 largest employers in Chicago, and 7 of the top 10 largest.

This is why laws like NEPA were passed and why we try to make the government do everything out in the open. It's why we require public hearings before a bridge is built.

Hey, I'm all for downsizing government.

But, I will tell you this, take away all federal agencies overnight and our world will collapse for a bit. Sure, we'll figure out how to run air traffic and electricity generation without the FAA and the DOE, we'll figure out how to police terrorists without the FBI, etc. etc. But it WILL take time, and in the meantime -- well, I'm sure you've seen the end of Escape from LA.

Back to your [img]graemlins/rant.gif[/img] about the law. Everything, regarding guns (the other stuff is too offtopic), that you mention takes off after the assumption or failure to address what "infringe" means.

Go HERE and you will see the dictionary itself does not answer this well. Infringe came from latin roots meaning "to crush" and sometimes is thought to meen "make obsolete." Other times it means "to transgress."

Either way, my point is there is a valid argument that you can place a limitation on the 2nd Amendment without infringing it. NOTE!!! I'm not saying I agree with this argument, I am merely saying it ain't as cut and dry as you make it.

Can you place any limits on gun ownership?
How about a registration requirement?
How about making it illegal for felons to have guns?
How about a waiting period?

At this point, you will not find a judge or jury in this land that will say you can put NO limit on gun ownership. Given that, the argument becomes "how much is too much?" There's a lot of grey area in there. Is it going too far to say you can't have guns that look like action movie guns? Brady says it is. I disagree, but as I said, for me it's one of the more minor issues.

Just please don't pretend like things are black and white when they aren't.
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