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Timber Loftis · 08-03-2004, 02:22 PM

Reference to the "biggest polluter" escapes me.

I'd vote libertarian too, if they stood a chance. I'll vote for a change first, to get something *closer to* what I want, and then I'll work for what I really want.

As for the "any gun control is illegal" argument, that's highly debatable. For instance, the right "shall not be infringed." Does "infringed" mean "denied totally" or does it mean "imposed upon at all?" I know your opinion on this, but I'm just pointing out it's debatable.

So many things you see when you study law make you simply aghast at the horrors of our legal system. Federal Agencies were not provided for in the Constitution -- technically all agencies are on pretty shaky legal ground. I mean, Congress makes an agency which is governed by the executive but which has regulatory (legislative) and quasi-judicial powers. So, from the "purely constitutional" standpoint, all agencies, from the FAA to the FCC, the EPA to the DOJ, the USDA to the FDA, should be ripped assunder right now. This instant. Oh... wait, how will our world run if we do that?

Or what about the 8th Amendment? -- that Amendment basically doesn't exist anymore. At all. Period.

Or what about all those articles online teaching people how they don't really have to pay their income taxes, based on the constitution? There are quite a number of folks in jail who tried real hard to make that argument.

Anyway, I'm just pointing out that as a lawyer, you learn early on that getting too far into the pointy-headed stuff will simply drive you mad, so you start being more practical.

From a practical standpoint, even if the law outlaws the cooler-looking guns, we can still arm ourselves. From a personal practical standpoint, in my state and city, even if the federal assault weapon ban lapses, my local prohibitions will still apply, so I still won't be able to own that H&K G3 I want under my bed.

And, be it a favor to Bush or Kerry, a vote for a third party this election is a vote for whoever you don't like. But, you live in NY, so go ahead and cast your vote for whomever. Make the loudest statement you can. The Democrats will take your state no matter what you do. Just like mine.

Now, back to this polluter issue...

08-03-2004, 02:22 PM	#50
Timber Loftis 40th Level Warrior Join Date: July 11, 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 11,916	Reference to the "biggest polluter" escapes me. I'd vote libertarian too, if they stood a chance. I'll vote for a change first, to get something closer to what I want, and then I'll work for what I really want. As for the "any gun control is illegal" argument, that's highly debatable. For instance, the right "shall not be infringed." Does "infringed" mean "denied totally" or does it mean "imposed upon at all?" I know your opinion on this, but I'm just pointing out it's debatable. So many things you see when you study law make you simply aghast at the horrors of our legal system. Federal Agencies were not provided for in the Constitution -- technically all agencies are on pretty shaky legal ground. I mean, Congress makes an agency which is governed by the executive but which has regulatory (legislative) and quasi-judicial powers. So, from the "purely constitutional" standpoint, all agencies, from the FAA to the FCC, the EPA to the DOJ, the USDA to the FDA, should be ripped assunder right now. This instant. Oh... wait, how will our world run if we do that? Or what about the 8th Amendment? -- that Amendment basically doesn't exist anymore. At all. Period. Or what about all those articles online teaching people how they don't really have to pay their income taxes, based on the constitution? There are quite a number of folks in jail who tried real hard to make that argument. Anyway, I'm just pointing out that as a lawyer, you learn early on that getting too far into the pointy-headed stuff will simply drive you mad, so you start being more practical. From a practical standpoint, even if the law outlaws the cooler-looking guns, we can still arm ourselves. From a personal practical standpoint, in my state and city, even if the federal assault weapon ban lapses, my local prohibitions will still apply, so I still won't be able to own that H&K G3 I want under my bed. And, be it a favor to Bush or Kerry, a vote for a third party this election is a vote for whoever you don't like. But, you live in NY, so go ahead and cast your vote for whomever. Make the loudest statement you can. The Democrats will take your state no matter what you do. Just like mine. Now, back to this polluter issue... __________________