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Chewbacca · 07-12-2004, 04:30 AM

I wish this thread much luck in staying the course with regards to actually discussing the issues raised in BFC rather than just being a continuance of the bash and bait.

That said I appreciate your perspective on the film, Cerek. While we will probably never agree on the validity and accuracy of Hardy's attacks Moore and critiques on the film, I am pleased you seem to think that movie wasn't all that bad and did have some redeeming qualities. This is more or less my take as well. It has it's flaws ( how many and how serious they are vary in the eye of the beholder obviously) but it explores a topic worthy of discussion.

I do not think there is one big "smoking gun" reason as to why there is so much gun violence and gun deaths in America. It is more like a big jig-saw puzzle, with many pieces- some big and some small. I think Moore missed a whole lot of issues, but then again he only had two hours and he needed to get his digs in as well.

I think that many accidents can be avoided with training and new technology.

I think it will help to remove the incentives in poor communities for fast and easy wealth by entering the narcotic blackmarket created by the drug war. In the lawless underbelly of society an entire culture has been built upon violence, revenge and general disregard for life and is fueled by the get rich schemes of slanging drugs.

Along side the drug war created violence is the desire for a "hard" image. One example is in order to gain/keep credibility one must pack a gun and respond to any sucker who disrespects. This type of ego posturing doesnt always lead to violence or gunfare but it does enough.

One way to help solve this is by education. Teaching youth skills like conflict resolutiuon, anger mangement and instilling self-worth and a sense of personal responibility that is not dependent on external security props will help prevent them from entering this culuture or acting out violently later in life.

Anyway, I probably have more thoughts, but I will save them for later.

[ 07-12-2004, 04:33 AM: Message edited by: Chewbacca ]

07-12-2004, 04:30 AM	#6
Chewbacca Zartan Join Date: July 18, 2001 Location: America, On The Beautiful Earth Age: 51 Posts: 5,373	I wish this thread much luck in staying the course with regards to actually discussing the issues raised in BFC rather than just being a continuance of the bash and bait. That said I appreciate your perspective on the film, Cerek. While we will probably never agree on the validity and accuracy of Hardy's attacks Moore and critiques on the film, I am pleased you seem to think that movie wasn't all that bad and did have some redeeming qualities. This is more or less my take as well. It has it's flaws ( how many and how serious they are vary in the eye of the beholder obviously) but it explores a topic worthy of discussion. I do not think there is one big "smoking gun" reason as to why there is so much gun violence and gun deaths in America. It is more like a big jig-saw puzzle, with many pieces- some big and some small. I think Moore missed a whole lot of issues, but then again he only had two hours and he needed to get his digs in as well. I think that many accidents can be avoided with training and new technology. I think it will help to remove the incentives in poor communities for fast and easy wealth by entering the narcotic blackmarket created by the drug war. In the lawless underbelly of society an entire culture has been built upon violence, revenge and general disregard for life and is fueled by the get rich schemes of slanging drugs. Along side the drug war created violence is the desire for a "hard" image. One example is in order to gain/keep credibility one must pack a gun and respond to any sucker who disrespects. This type of ego posturing doesnt always lead to violence or gunfare but it does enough. One way to help solve this is by education. Teaching youth skills like conflict resolutiuon, anger mangement and instilling self-worth and a sense of personal responibility that is not dependent on external security props will help prevent them from entering this culuture or acting out violently later in life. Anyway, I probably have more thoughts, but I will save them for later. [ 07-12-2004, 04:33 AM: Message edited by: Chewbacca ] __________________ Support Local Music and Record Stores! Got Liberty?