Timber, starting an open debate on a closed thread was unwise. The last one was locked for a good reason. As I said in the last one, I'm not interested in listening to your - or anyone else's - justifications, apportioning of blame/fault, excuses, fingerpointing, etc. in this particular case. The bottom line is we had another thread closed because of a bunch of people acting like pork chops - you, Chewy and Cerek in that particular thread. Whether or not you were less or more to blame, I don't care - you contributed to the deterioration as far as I am concerned. Sadly, in your indignation at being named, you appear to have missed the entire point of my post - all of you are COLLECTIVELY contributing to the deterioration in standards of this forum with your behaviour, and I've had enough of the fingerpointing and the lack of acceptance of shared responsibility for this.
And it hasn't been just that thread - watching that one go downhill was an inevitable conclusion to the exercising of a set of behaviours from everyone here who is a regular in this particular forum. YOUR inflammatory titled terrorist post STARTED all this, so don't start taking the moral high ground about responding calmly to provocative posts from others. We let you go on it (mainly because it wasn't noticed until it was well underway, and also because you didn't actually name anyone) but for you to go on and admit that was your entire purpose - to use an inflammatory title to provoke a whole bunch of flames - is unacceptable. I agree with you that people need to have thicker skins but that doesn't give us the excuse to piss people off for the express purpose of "calling them out" or eliciting an emotional response, just because you feel it's been done to you by Skunk or anyone else.
For the record, I (as well as Z or the rest of the mod team) don't believe anyone in this CE forum currently has the maturity to manage a fiery debate and resolve differences without external assistance, and without carrying the grudges into subsequent/future posts. When I see provocative posts like your
last post in your terrorism thread
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Happy to oblige. Put up or shut up. I simply want those who really do support the terrorists shown the door from this forum. If you don't support attacking civilians and you don't support action against the US, you don't. If you do support those actions, and you do support the actions against the US, its civilians, and Iraqi civilians, I want you shown to the door ... or I want to call you out for what you are. It's as simple as that. See if I give a flying shit for those opposing my title. While made in haste and with little thought (I admit!) it has nevertheless sparked a great debate on IWF. Do we really want those who take joy in seeing US troops die posting here? Do we really want those who think the terrorists have a point and a good way of exercising it posting here? I submit that we do not. If you think the war in Iraq has flaws, kudos to you and I respect that opinion. But if you think it is good that the terrorists may be gaining ground against the US, ■■■■ YOU, I say.
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...how can you expect me to see you as being a mature individual? If you don't want to be called out as not acting like an adult, then act like one and I won't call you out. You haven't given me cause in your recent behaviour to do otherwise. The locked thread, as well as the terrorism thread you started, are examples of why we can never ever have a forum where people moderate themselves and resolve differences between themselves. You guys just don't have the maturity to do that at this point - you push things until you are physically told to stop. The way we're going I doubt we ever will.
I've got a suggestion for you, Timber. Rather than expressing indignation and offence at my comments, re-read all your posts here in the last few months, with the eyes of a neutral outsider (or maybe with the eyes of someone who's never been to IW), and try and see if you can find the reason why I lumped you with the "immature crowd" that you consider yourself above. Do this HONESTLY, with no bias, with the eyes of a newcomer. Then when you've done this you are welcome to PM me with your thoughts, and I will respond. Until you do that I'm not prepared to debate this with you (don't take my leaving the thread open as an invitation to do that).
[ 06-23-2004, 11:53 AM: Message edited by: Memnoch ]