[Oblivion437]

The problem with Moore raising the questions he does (and Hardy addresses this at the bottom of the main BfC page) is that he does so through deceptions, lies, and spin. Showing the most honest truth possible (I'll hear no comments from the peanut gallery about truth) would be far more valuable. To be as honest as one can about this raises his points to a valid level.

If you make the dragon in your garage invisible on purpose, you're doing the wrong thing...

I agree that issues about the mass media, violence and manipulation of public opinion do need to be explored, seriously.

I think that most posters on this forum are more serious about it than Moore is, and seriously, that clown is just looking to sell you a product, we're here to know the truth of the matter. Moore isn't sincere enough, or honest enough, to be taken seriously. Others are, as they show us the data, we draw our conclusions from it.

I will honestly say the following things:

--The most irrational bullshitters I've enocuntered on this and another forum are more sincere, and more honorable, than Michael Moore, even when they're lying through their teeth, or deluding themselves to the point that they're practically wearing blinders throughout a debate.

--I hold every one of you on Ironworks leagues above politicians, film makers, book authors and celebrities for your opinions. You're all loads more interesting, and more insightful.

And Chewbacca, that last post was a glaring demonstration of utter hypocrisy. You've gone from a seemingly irrational defender of Moore, to an ad-hominem spewing asshole. This debate is too grown up for you.

You're still better than Michael Moore though.

[ 07-09-2004, 10:27 PM: Message edited by: Oblivion437 ]