[Oblivion437]

Originally posted by Grojlach: Oblivion, thanks for once again proving my point as to why I object to responding to every single sentence instead of to the point in whole. You don't even read what I write, but simply repeat the same old nonsense you've been repeating all throughout this topic, missing the general point I tried to make.

I did read what you wrote, or do you not know what you wrote? To say that what I've said is nonsense would require that you in some fashion debunk what I'd said before, which, once again, has not been done.

Besides, to just slap your whole post above mine is a hell of a mess, and it is rather unreadable. It would be rather hard to respond point-for-point or even in general, as anyone reading it would be required to read both parts in whole, and then go back and forth.

If you need any retortions to those points, go back and read Chewie's replies.

Those points weren't properly refuted...

I specifically asked people not to pick apart my entire post, and yet you did just that - sometimes not even to counter my words, but to nitpick semantics or just repeat the thing I was already responding to in the first place. Seriously, knock it off.

Except you kept either confusing the issue or strawmanning. If you don't like reasoned debate in the most direct fashion possible, don't post, and even better, don't post in any fashion as I might disagree with you. If you want me to knock it off, ban me, close my account suspend me, or have someone in a position to do so admonish me for it, but don't expect your inability to respond to my debate to be sufficient in determining my debate policy. If anything, I'm spurred to keep it up.

And I don't care whether it reflects badly on me, but I have too much of a life to pick your post apart, respond to every single "point" made while knowing that it won't make a difference either way; let's just agree to disagree. I know there's a good chance you'll even pick apart this post - well, good for you.

It does reflect very badly on you that you use the "I have too much of a life" cop-out to run away while your strawmen get burned. I find it funny that you say good for you, as a couple Australians say G'day to mean "kiss my ass" or mate to mean "asshole." It takes me an average of 10 minutes to construct a reply, and that's if I do serious fact-checking... Are you saying you never have 10 minutes to spare?

And may the next person using the words "conjecture" and "strawman" be struck by lightning. Seriously.

Well, he's more likely to get struck by lightning than die in a terrorist attack...

by the way, about that NRA convention date: it's there on Hardy's site; check the part regarding Kayla Robinson. Once again a provable lie on Moore's part (if Hardy is correct, that is), but I guess still not good enough for court.

Yes, you're dead right about that. As Heston is a public figure (and the NRA a public organization) a direct intent of malice has to be specifically established for the legal angle of it to be truly actionable. Civil law is very fickle about that sort of thing. If you can make sure your target is a public figure, you can say "allegedly" and then anything you want, you can quote them out of context and accuse them of something based on that out of context quote. You can do exactly what Moore has done to Heston and the NRA and get away with it, and have the law protect you directly. Hardy has a great couple of links on the subject (I personally can verify all of them worked about a month ago, don't know if they still do) including just how Moore most likely came to be acquainted with that law. To demonstrate, I'll ask you a question, but it'll only have real significance in the US I suppose, as I don't know much about the whole thing involving international television.

When's the last time you saw Roger and Me on television? On the deluxe package/digital cable/satellite channels? On the On-Demand type or Pay-Per-View Channels? As a result of a lawsuit Moore lost regarding slanderous statements he'd made about a non-public figure, that film most likely never will receive such a release.