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Originally posted by Timber Loftis:
But telling him to f-off for making me do his reasearch to defeat baseless allegations is fair and appropriate. Anyone can come here and toss lies around making us all backpedal -- isn't that forum abuse as well? As you can see by my reply to Skunk in this post, he still refuses to read the facts and make baseless allegations which, in the face of the PROOF I've offered, border on OUTRIGHT LIES. It's uncalled for. Facts are facts.
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If you think that the Red Cross is lying - that's fine - I'm merely reporting what they claim to have seen with their own eyes and the alleged failure of the US authorities to answer what they claim have been repeated requests to end abuses a whole NINE MONTHS before the US began it's investigation.
If you have been to the prison yourself, or have special information that proves that their allegations are untrue - please post it - I'd like to see it.
But I'm just the messenger - and I've quoted my sources. So to call me a liar under those circumstances is absurd and inappropriate. Redirect your anger to the Red Cross - they're the ones that made the allegations - NOT ME.
The Red Cross reported on the general treatment of prisoners in all detention facilities - and incidents like this were never investigated by the US authorities despite complaints by the ICRC:
22-09-2003 - A 61 year old had been tied, hooded and forced to sit on a hot surface of what he surmised to be the engine of a vehicle, which had caused severe burns to his buttocks. The victim lost consciousness. The ICRC observed large crusted lesions consistent with his allegation.[/i]
Also note in ICRC report, the section from OCTOBER 2003 with regards to Abu Grahib and note that again, NO IMMEDIATE INVESTIGATION FOLLOWED.
You can find the leaked ICRC report here:
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-file...ICRCreport.pdf
It's a catalogue of abuses going back to the start of the war that is frankly disturbing - even more so when the US/UK military refused to either investigate or end the abuses. Furthermore, the abuses did not simply take place in Abu Grahib, but also the detention centres of Camp Cropper, Al-Salyhyye, Tasferat, Al-Russafa, Umm Qasar, Camp Bucca, Camp Condor...(you'll note that some of these are/were British run). Do you know about the investigations into those places too? I havn't heard anything about them.
But, if you think it's all lies, you are free to hold that opinion of course.
But I didn't write it - so don't blame me.
And finally - why would the ICRC write a biased report that the ONLY THE US/UK AUTHORITIES WOULD SEE? This report was *never* destined to be released to the general public - but to be kept secret in line with strict ICRC policy - as a matter between it and the coalition force governments.
[ 05-15-2004, 07:07 PM: Message edited by: Skunk ]