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Originally posted by Cerek the Barbaric:
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Originally posted by Cerek the Barbaric:
Hmmm...that sounds very much like what *I've* been saying throughout this entire thread regarding Moore and his films.
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Which is especially remarkable, considering the fact you've never even seen BfC...
Cerek, honestly - at least go out and see it once. Give it a fair chance, and *then* decide on an opinion - don't just dismiss it because you find Moore's public appearances repulsive or because your favourite newspapers and magazines are trying to make mountains out of molehills by putting small, irrelevant inconsistencies on par with "being a big fat liar" - sure, BfC has its flaws, and the overly cheap and cheesy closing scene with Heston makes me want to scratch out my eye-balls, but the movie makes more than enough good points that won't be mentioned in the anti-Moore media. [/QUOTE]I haven't seen the film, but I have seen the criticisms of it on the various web pages linked in previous threads. I don't find Moore's public appearances repulsive - I find the man himself repulsive. The allegations of half-truths and deliberate misconceptions is not new to Moore's work - nor is it limited to BFC. In fact, Moore has seen to it that each of his films generated a fair amount of controversy. Controversy equals free publicity and increased interest.
I don't read magazines or newspapers. Most of my information comes from local and national news shows (when I have time to watch them) and internet sources. If I hear about a story that interests me, I usually go to CNN, Reuters or AP to find a story on it. Otherwise, I go by sources cited in the threads themselves.
As for watching BFC, I have said I will try and make time to do that. However, I normally rent movies for entertainment value, and with 3 small children I have precious little time to rent movies I DO want to see. So the idea of using some of that valuable time to watch a movie made by a man I find repulsive due to his habit of infusing his own agenda into every picture he makes is not very appealing - to say the least.
As for Moore's penchant for "spinning" the facts to suit his purpose, I have provided enough examples of Moore doing exactly that in his comments regarding Disney's treatment of Farenheit 9/11 to show he does do it on a regular basis. You can review them for yourself or choose to ignore them as you see fit. [/QUOTE]If you disagree with the film, all the more reason to see it. Would you not expect a critic of the bible to at least read it before rejecting it?
It is also important to see if you want to keep your finger on the pulse of OPINIONS within America. Perceived reality is as important and valid as actual reality. If Moore IS wrong, and you are right, you need to be aware of what he is saying if you expect to counter it.
The single biggest issue I have with BfC is that he completely ignores the DEATH PENALTY as a cause for Americas gun deaths. Ignoring the reality that neither Canada, Germany or Japan - the nations he cites (bewildered as to why they have lower gun deaths). None have the death penalty. A huge factor in the problem IMHO.