[Timber Loftis]

Originally posted by promethius9594: [QB] Heh, well, first off having the right to kill yourself isnt exactly equivalent to it being a moral action if you kill yourself.

Yes. But morals are tied to religion and beliefs, and I don't seek to set those for (almost) anyone.

secular rights have little bearing on morality.

Well, the legislatures tend to draw secular rights from moral notions, but overall you are right.

besides, from a law standpoint, what are they going to do if you kill yourself? throw your body in jail?

That's not the issue. While in the olden days they would drag the dead corpse through the town and hang it, that is not so anymore. The real issue these days is what kind of crime was committed by those who attempted suicide but failed.

I dont think its moral to kill yourself, but rather is a sin against hope (catholic concept, ask if you dont understand).

I do understand. I think I may agree. However, I see it as more of a cowardice -- a bit different than the Catholic concept, I believe.

i agree, however, that people shouldnt be forced by law to wear a helmet or seatbelt, but i also think that if they choose not to that they shouldnt be covered by tax dollar medical programs. i dont want to pay for a vegitable who only had half a brain prior to their accident because they were too stupid to put on a seatbelt. i know that sounds cruel, but i think that our government puts us in a place where we put the blame for everything on externals, when we should be learning how to be accountable and responsible.

I think we agree here. As with suicide, if you own yourself, then you own yourself. that includes the right to not wear a seatbelt, etc. However, insurers should be free to require a higher premium or refuse to cover you in those cases, and society should not be left footing the bill. If you choose to wear no seatbelt, fine -- so long as society does not bear the cost of your decision.