[Yorick]

Originally posted by Skunk: quote: Originally posted by Yorick: [qb] Oh I think it's very apt. It's about time Europe reaped what it sowed.

Which is what?
[/QUOTE]As I responded to your comments on European colonialism/imperialism, that would be immigration. A movement of peoples into your neck of the woods.

quote: Originally posted by Yorick: Nonetheless, antiimmigrationism is one short microstep away from RACISM.

Well for a start I'm not against immigration. But I am pro-immigration control. [/QUOTE]Er.... that would mean you are anti-immigration.

In any case your views here are pretty well clear. You're a racist who wants to keep the Poles away from your neighbourhood. Pretty clear where you sit from where I stand.

No economy can afford to simply throw open its doors to all and sundry without suffering ruination. You would be *very* challenged to find any country in the world that does not have such a policy - and to suggest that immigration control is racist is label every country in the world as racist - and as such, just plain daft.

Who's talking economics? I'm not. I simply said that open-door immigration built the federations of America and Australia. Economic sense, and human compassion do not always marry. It may not make economic sense to let the boatpeople or war refugees, or starving jobseekers into your country, but it sure is immoral to turn them away. I'm not arguing an economic case, though I am pointing out the realities of the rapid development that flows from immigration. From demand of services, to manpower.

As Timber pointed out, you have an interesting set of double standards there Skunk.

Read the forum rules before you make statements like that.

It shouldn't be insulting to you. They're your views your espousing. You're preaching discrimination. "Stay at home immigrant". Racist bigot parties like "One Nation" in Australia preach the same thing.

Originally posted by Skunk: [qb] Austrailia is desperately attempting to limit the flow of immigrants into the country using questionable tactics (see: http://www.refugeesaustralia.org ) as a way of deterring would be migrants. Such is the damage to the economy that an unrestricted flow represents. The United states is also seeing problems from the ever increasing uncontrolled flow of Mexicans - esp. social problems (see: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...CLE_ID=25920).

I am well aware of the immigration issues with both countries, having lived in both. I am also aware of the arguments in government circles arguing FOR greater immigration.

States like Tenessee turn a blind eye to the Mexican immigrancy issue precisely because of the economic blessing they are.

Originally posted by Yorick: [qb] Or in other words, the immigrants can live in shanty towns on the edge of the city, cleaning your toilet, eh? How generous!

Er... no, an immigrant lives in my house and cleans my toilet. That would be me. I am not American.

As far as the Chinese immigrant who cleans the toilets at work, she's a blessing. Someone has to do the job.

Unless you're suggesting the job shouldn;t get done, or that somehow humans who do these jobs are lesser than those who don't?

Originally posted by Yorick: [qb] If you are not allowed to work in your profession by the immigration authorities or suffer from a racist atmosphere where 'the guy from the eastern block aint good enough to work here', then yes I imagine that they will take whatever work they can find - but Europe isn't like that.

Oh yes it is. Certain qualifications don't transfer across languages and cultures. Even from Western nation to Western nation if regulational laws are different.