First off, timber, try being involved with the military and looking at the actions of these "f-tards." believe me, the feeling is more than mutual... if anything it makes me probably more ticked than most civilians. at the same time, it also lends perspective to the situation that civilians won't understand... which is why i've called several things, like the retiring of rumsfeld, silly ideas when taken in the scope of fault.
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Originally posted by Memnoch:
In simple terms, hazing is getting the shyte kicked out of you to prove that you can take punishment, in order to join a fraternity or club to prove what you're willing to go through for your "brothers". All initiates generally go through this ritual, though I can't say it's all that popular here in OZ other than in the army...we tend to bond more through drinking sessions or bashing each other in footy than hitting each other's backsides with a paddle... 
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in regards to this, memnoch, you have an unclear understanding of what hazing is. hazing would better be defined as "forced participation in an act in order to show support of, dedication to, or unity with a cause or organization." your drinking sessions COULD under certains circumstances be considered hazing in the same way a gauntlet or pin pushing is considered... in fact, hundreds of college students have died from hazing involving alchohol consumption in hazing rituals...